*if you knew about them, and were the correct covenant, and knew they were going to be required for a meta achievement that was going to be removed at the end of the expansion
4 Likes
Had Blizzard not had covenant locking for a good portion of the expansion, I might agree with you.
But they did. Which was by far their biggest mistake in Shadowlands - fencing people off from 75% of the covenant content, because reasons.
9 Likes
ignoring how covs were locked half of xpac
and veilstrider not even put in game until earlier this year
and announcement it was removed not until last month
theres no defense for that, idc how long u think ppl had, this predatory crap drives ppl away
9 Likes
I thought when veilstrider was announced earlier this year, they also said it would be going away when DF released. Unless I somehow knew without them telling people. It’s why I started then(also helped that I had more than half of them done) but it did take me like a month and a half to get the stitchflesh one because rng was trash. Either way, compared to the other covenant achieves, it’s too much. Blizz even nerfed On the Offensive to only need 4 instead of six (or maybe 8) achieves, and the Jailer’s gauntlet was reduced to 4 instead of 8.
1 Like
However, Blizzard didn’t mention it was being removed when the achievement was introduced, it was announced with a limited time for a lot of players that only dedicated time to 1-2 covenants, there’s open world players, roleplay players that only did a full covenant but not all.
6 Likes
You saying it wasn’t in the game is incorrect. Just because the achievement didn’t exist doesn’t mean you weren’t able to work towards the achievements that were needed to be conducted.
All it seems is you guys decided not to do the content earlier on in the expansion, and now since an achieve is tied to it you are suddenly interested.
The only people I sympathise for are ones who started playing the expansion later on who genuinely are trying to get their head around how the game works, and only just discovering these particular achievements who have no chance in finishing them.
As for the rest who played earlier on who decided not to do the content until hearing about Back from Beyond, that’s on you. All you had to do was work through the content at a leisurely pace and you would have absolutely gotten it.
Actually it does. You couldn’t even change your covenant without losing all your progress for half the expansion. You conveniently ignore this point.
8 Likes
Actually, you could work on it.
I finished all the covenant achievements on 3 sperate alts and auto completed when the patch released.
Common sense told me that like BFA, there would be a similar achievement.
That’s because most of us assumed we could do it later and not miss anything. Then they added Veilstrider. And failed to inform us until just a bunch of weeks before DF release.
https://www.wowhead.com/achievement=15654/back-from-the-beyond
Added in patch 9.2.5. Again, the implication was that we could simply revisit the content on a different time later.
We do not want nor ask for your sympathy. We ask the devs to fix this screw-up where they casually said it will be removed but one achieve roadblocks you for no good reason. Every other achieve takes grind and work, and thats fine. Abominable Lives is RNG-based, and can take months, which is unacceptable when they purposelly added an achieve that requires it. If they legit knew it was getting removed back then or planned to, they should have without a doubt reworked the achieve to remove any RNG component, or AT LEAST they should have told us it was getting removed back then. Timegate is okay, as we got some weeks left and can get those done. But an achieve based on RNG is NOT okay to be required for a soon-to-be-removed FoS.
There is no excuse for this massive screw-up. Mage tower, legendary cloak, Legendary ring all had plenity of time and warning to be obtained, and were even addressed to be less RNG and manageable for people who started working on it when they announced the removal. Mage tower even became permanent in the months leading up to BFA prepatch.
It’s not really comparable. BFA one required you to adquire every essence on rank 4, which requires Mythic Raiding and pvp. This one didn’t require such thing at all. No PVP was required in fact. As such, we didn’t have implications that it would be removed at all nor any kind of confirmation on the matter till they just said so a bunch of weeks before DF gets released.
7 Likes
You should have expected it to be removed, there is a precedent for it…
i think they should just give everyone the title
Not all of us had time to grind anima on multiple alts, and it was too punishing to switch covenants for most of the expansion. The BoA anima item was added later as well. It’s not reasonable to expect people to do 100% of the achievements just in case a meta achievement is added later and ends up being time limited. How could anyone have even guessed which covenant achievements would be required? It seems as if Blizzard picked them at random since Night Fae is a joke, Kyrian takes some effort but isn’t time gated, Venthyr is time gated but not RNG based, and then Necrolords has… well, this.
As for what Blizzard has removed in the past, it’s generally been skill based achievements and mounts that were time limited.
5 Likes
I’d love for these nay-sayers to link me one achievement Blizzard has announced they would remove 3 months ahead of time that was 100% RNG based. Prove me wrong.
4 Likes
expecting me to do literally every Shadowland achievement because they COULD remove them or something related to them later with very little time left is beyond ridiculous. I find that reply absolutely impossible to take seriously, and nothing short of ignorant and idiotic. There wasn’t a “precedent” for it, Phenomenal Cosmic Power wasn’t the same thing AT ALL. The other achieves were cleary outlined as temporary from the get-go, from the devs clarifying to the wording of them making it clear. No such thing happened with Back from The Beyond.
4 Likes
This entire affair could have been avoided if blizz didn’t make the assumption that people look at wowhead once a day.
Along with stop hiding future FoS achievements preemptively in the FoS category. Which it and legacy achievements can’t be searched or glossed over without an addon (aka one barrier to information).
As for me, I only had like 25% (I’ll double check in a bit) of the achievements done before the datamining of 9.2.5 back in April.
I finished the achievement on September 25th.
But since I do look at wowhead and do have overachiever addon to check FoS. I had more information than others.
Knowledge is your best primary stat for wow.
5 Likes
Some of y’all being salty af for people simply wanting a single covenant’s worth of achievements to be brought in line with the other three is very telling.
10 Likes
They have an extensive multi expansion history of removing achievements and adding it to FoS.
If you cared, you would have done it.
I couldn’t care less if they changed, I’m highlighting it’s your own fault at this stage.
I simply didn’t gamble, in case they removed it…
It is kind of difficult to believe that this blindsided many people. Like, it might as well have screamed “this’ll be removed at the end of Shadowlands”.
Tell me something actually comparable to this, that requires RNG,was added on a later patch and didn’t get enough warning. I’m waiting, and Phenomenal Cosmic Power is, again, not a valid example, as it required different things than Veilstrider (Mythic raiding and high rated pvp, for example).
I’m waiting.
Actually its the fault of the devs for not being more transparent with us. Blaming people for not doing 10000 covenant achievements because they had to expect a FOMO achieve would be required is not only a extreme case of blatant lie, but also a serious logic fallacy. If you are not trolling and believe this to be true, I’d really go look for help. It’s not healthy at all.
5 Likes
Nope I’m aware of that.
It still gave you ample time no? Patch 9.2 was released Feb, and 9.2.5 May. And then the time from then up until now.
Again, if you did the content, you would’ve ticked off most of what was required before even being aware of the achievement. You make it sound like getting renown 80 when it was possible with each covenant was difficult. It was so damn quick.
I’m not against you, I’m just telling you ample time has been given to achieve it.
This is also assuming you only played one toon. Chances are most people have alts levelling different covenants. Correct me if I’m wrong (apologies if I am), but isn’t the achievement account wide?