I don’t mention his name anymore, and I don’t read his posts. But unfortunately when someone else quotes him I’m subjected to the nonsense before I realize who wrote it. In any case, I don’t attribute his attitude that malicious or pernicious reports shouldn’t be investigated to all people in favor of auto-squelch. By that same token, others shouldn’t try to infer that people who are against auto-squelch want some kind of zero-consequence, no repercussion free-for-all chat experience. To generalize in such a way is silly.
What I’m saying is that there are people who will exploit the auto-squelch. And in a system that has so much grey area, those abusers of the system will get innocent people squelched for not breaking any rules, and suffer no consequences as a result of it. That will irrevocably damage the Classic experience. Because being able to communicate with other players (including random strangers) is so vital and necessary.
Actually that appears to be YOUR position since you feel the mob has to silence players because Blizz won’t do so in a timely enough fashion to deter poor behavior in chat channels…
OK then I will not bother to engage the post you made that you will not cite the source of.
I’ll simply ask again:
Has evidence been shown that those reporting players did not receive punishment for doing so?
Which is why while I myself did not ask for right click autosquelch, it is something I am happy to embrace, for the sake of communication in public channels. I even went so far as to suggest that the squelch should start out to be in only the public channel the alleged violation happened until reviewed by a GM to see if a complete silence was waranted. But when suggesting that alternative folks like myself were being pummeled by idiocy like Williams accusal that our POV was akin to civil rights abuses and lynch mobs.
If anti squelch people want a reasonable discussion, folks like williams and others need to drop the melodramatic dialed to 11 rhetoric.
Actually one of the claims being made by people opposed to auto squelch is that blizzard takes too long to resolve unfair squelchs. If they take to long to resolve unfair auto squelchs then it only stands to reason they’ll also take too long to respond to legitimate issues with chat reports.
I’m fully open to other suggestions besides auto squelch but the people saying we should just go back to the system pre auto squelch just want a consequence free environment to troll in.
Aight so I’ve asked for people’s better ideas to auto squelch and noone seems to be able to suggest any so here’s mine.
Instead of a hard squelch make it so the person’s chat is buried, like it just shows up as Name: <…> and anyone in chat can click on it to expand out what was said. That wouldn’t prevent said person from communicating but it would give fair warning to whoever wants to see the text that the person may in fact be a troll or a dbag.
Also puts an even bigger target on their back because now those who would abuse it can see you may be skating on thin ice as is.
Not sure that would work.
No. I’m saying people will know someone’s chat being collapsed means they have flags pending.
If this rampant abuse issue is as prevalent as is being claimed that could lead regular abusers to abuse people just because they have flags pending. I mean that is if the wonderful Classic community has people in it that are that petty.
Yes I’ve seen the rhetoric through out this “discussion”. Which to me: this given chat idea is asking for even more abuse.
The only way to prevent abuse of something that has the potential for abuse is through training, open communication, and constant monitoring, harsh penalties for abusers or completely scrapping it and trying something else. In the end they are still just a deterrent and responsibilities/choice are squarely placed on the user to not abuse it/follow the guidelines when interacting.
Probably would be better. I wonder if a system that did something like this instead of putting the squelch on you would still DC you when it’s applied. I believe the DC is probably due to the system needing to change your permissions and forces a relog. If it’s simply collapsing your messages, I’m not entirely sure it would need to do that.
Is it that or is it the fact that you get so many in such a short time the system is slapping you in the face?
I mean a multi-boxer sending 40+ reports in the same second or a streamer saying in his chat (with possibly thousands of loyal followers) “ok sheep flag me after I say this. BAAAAAH”. I would think generates reports faster than if it’s just done from random members of the community.
It’s also possible, (if this is how it works. Because we don’t know, blizz isn’t saying much, and we have limited verifiable information) that a person could say something that does offend a good majority of a server at once. Generating a “mass” of reports rather quickly.
I’d say there’s some obvious reasons blizz isn’t forthcoming with some of this info.
At that point I would see any kind of automated DC as unnecessary, if you see someone with collapsed text it becomes user beware that if you expand it there’s a good chance there’s a reason why it was collapsed.
And hell at that point you can ad in a client side opt of collapsing kind of like the swear filter.
I actually really like this idea. It wouldn’t prevent talking in guild/party/whispers, and wouldn’t really affect the offender’s ability to get a group. It preserves chat for people not trying to be inappropriate, but still lets the people that want to be inappropriate be that way in guild/party/whispers.
I’m not OK with you, Gucci and Aehl reporting with the intention of silencing other players.
And this isn’t me “naming and shaming” you three. All of you, make it clear as day, your toxic ways. All I had to do was ask the tough questions, that you either can’t answer or cower away from. That’s why the three of you won’t respond to me. Well, at least you and Gucci won’t 'cause I got facts to back me up.
Aehl tries but fails. Don’t worry, I got no issues with people reporting, for I, too, report. I’m also brave enough to say it to your face (as in your face, as I possibly can) instead of hiding behind a report and/or ignore buttons like cowards, in the hopes of “shutting you up”. No, I think y’all are toxic and have no business spreading that toxicity, in places I’m supposed to be having fun in.
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