False reporting and automated ban

Ziryus-doomhammer · February 9, 2019, 10:08pm

Or they’re just people who want to troll public chat channels and realize that they won’t be able to.

Scharzula-earthen-ring · February 9, 2019, 10:14pm

Hall monitor syndrome.

Williams-akama · February 9, 2019, 10:17pm

Ziryus, contrary to your willful ignorance of the situation there are trolls and organized players who will abuse this in game system to their advantage. This will be common place practice in Classic WoW because the world and its resources are something people fight over. This system lowers the difficulty level of controlling an enemy be they friendly or foe.

It’s not a question of if it will happen, but a question of what we must do to eliminate the auto-squelch and DC feature of the the click to report system.

Click to report is ok, but auto squelch and DC are not acceptable because it requires no actual offense of any kind take place for the report to result in a mob lynching of a player.

This is compounded in any situation where the environment gets competitive. This may be a concept you’re unfamiliar with and that’s ok, but it simply illuminates your ignorance of the full scope of game play in Classic WoW.

You are equating Classic to BFA, and while this system is abused in BFA it will be far more abused in Classic WoW; no question about it.

Padrepwn-kiljaeden · February 9, 2019, 10:24pm

One instance does not represent the community as a whole. However over time with enough data collected one can see an overall community opinion forming towards certain things and ofc certain people.
So yes while I’m starting to agree this community might not be able to handle that I just don’t think it’s because of the system. It’s the community itself. Especially over longer periods of time.

In one single instance though it’s just a group abusing a system in a single moment.
I may add this is all dependent upon the powers to be to enforce the part in their policy on abusing this system as well.
I do concur if abuse is left unchecked it will spread.
However at this current time we have very limited info on blizz’s action or inaction on this topic concerning wow. We have seen a bit of it concerning league play in other blizz games.

So is that just fluff to “ensure fairplay and sportsmanship” in their esport assests or does wow really have a problem with this that is being overlooked? -next hot streamer topic. I really should start making some videos. Lol

Williams-akama · February 9, 2019, 10:31pm

Paderpwn, thank you for conducting a civilized discussion with us; this is the sort of thing we should always be striving for.

Mellga-area-52 · February 9, 2019, 10:33pm

Only took 1,000 Posts of bickering, but we got there

Padrepwn-kiljaeden · February 9, 2019, 10:43pm

Your welcome and I do apologize for getting carried away at times here but sometimes I can’t keep the beast down when his chain gets rattled. I try. Lol
I should probably switch to decaff…
End of the day I am here for discussion but I can go with whatever folks call the other stuff too.
What I am happy to see is the way some of the regular users here have really started to build a bit of community here.
I’m going to be a bit sad when classic launches and everyone switches their main forum avatars again. Lol

Fesz-cenarius · February 9, 2019, 10:44pm

Ziryus:

Fesz:

Ziryus:

Fesz:

Ziryus:

Fesz:

Ziryus:

Fesz:

Ziryus:

Scharzula:

Authoritarian describes a type of person. It is descriptive. It is not harmful or hurtful. It is not used to attack. It describes the way the person acts.

Correct and it far more accurately describes the one person who thinks they should have a captive audience for whatever they want to say than the people who think that when the community as a whole wants someone to be quiet that person should be quiet.

Billy is in the Barrens with his friends. They are telling Chuck Norris jokes in chat. Many of the other people in Barrens chat join in.

Johnny and his cronies are “sick of Chuck Norris jokes” and report Billy and his friends “spamming” Chuck Norris jokes.

Billy and his friends are auto squelched, even though the majority of the other players in Barrens chat had no problem with those Chuck Norris jokes and many were even joining in telling them.

Tell us all how Johnny and his cronies represent the community as a whole.

If there were enough people annoyed by it I guess maybe they shouldn’t have been telling said jokes

How does the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just a minority imposing their will on that community?

How does a couple people trying to make fart jokes represent the community as a whole?

Those couple of people do not represent the community as a whole. I don’t recall ever saying that they do represent the “community as a whole”. I don’t even recall saying that they should not be reported for telling “fart jokes” (or Chuck Norris jokes).

I said that ANY action(including a squelch) should be left up to Blizzard, not Johnny and his cronies.

Once again, tell us all how the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just that minority imposing their will on that community?

So this is true auto squelch as far as I know is a fixed number not a ratio of people in the zone. So in some cases it will take a vast majority of people who saw something to get the squelch other times less so. That doesn’t mean it’s not a reflection of the attitude of multiple people.

You are still trying to obfuscate and deflect, I see. I don’t recall ever saying that multiple reports do not represent “a reflection of the attitude of multiple people”?

“A reflection of the attitude of multiple people” is hardly the same thing as "a reflection of the attitude of ‘the community as a whole’ ".

I know you will still refuse to actually answer the question and simply try to deflect and obfuscate, but once again, tell us all how the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just that minority imposing their will on that community?

If enough people who heard what you said and reports gets you squelched it’s a reflection of the general attitude of that community.

No. It is NOT necessarily a “reflection of the general attitude of that community” and you KNOW that, but refuse to admit it.

Tell us all how the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just that minority imposing their will on that community?

Tell us all how the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent “a reflection of the general attitude of that community” and not just that minority imposing their will on that community?

Mellga-area-52 · February 9, 2019, 10:47pm

Even though we disagreed, I still admire and respect you because you, at least, tried to converse. Perhaps, in the distant future, we may even become friends, down the line

This is why I love the Forums. I always make friends, despite the bickering

Joobacca-terenas · February 9, 2019, 10:51pm

Blizzard decided what the maximum number of people a single person should be able to annoy is. People behaving poorly ran rampant all over the old system and now we’re reaping the consequences.

Fesz-cenarius · February 9, 2019, 10:51pm

Padrepwn:

One instance does not represent the community as a whole. However over time with enough data collected one can see an overall community opinion forming towards certain things and ofc certain people.
So yes while I’m starting to agree this community might not be able to handle that I just don’t think it’s because of the system. It’s the community itself. Especially over longer periods of time.

In one single instance though it’s just a group abusing a system in a single moment.
I may add this is all dependent upon the powers to be to enforce the part in their policy on abusing this system as well.
I do concur if abuse is left unchecked it will spread.
However at this current time we have very limited info on blizz’s action or inaction on this topic concerning wow. We have seen a bit of it concerning league play in other blizz games.

So is that just fluff to “ensure fairplay and sportsmanship” in their esport assests or does wow really have a problem with this that is being overlooked? -next hot streamer topic. I really should start making some videos. Lol

Hypothetically, Blizzard leaves the auto ignore in place for the right click report system but removes the auto squelch. They tie the target report number, which currently triggers an auto squelch to a “flag” on the account for manual review ASAP to determine if a violation occurred and what action, if any, is appropriate.

Tell us all how the GM’s will not have the time to review those accounts that are not auto squelched but simply “flagged” for manual review yet those same GM’s will somehow have the time to review those same “flagged” accounts if the right click report were tied to an auto squelch.

Padrepwn-kiljaeden · February 9, 2019, 10:58pm

I consider the avatars I see on a regular here part of this forum community. Whether I agree with ya guys or not I consider ya my forum community peoples. I mean some of us kinda pitched a tent here and we ain’t leaving till we have classic to play. Lol
Heck even Fez and myself found we have old school transformers and star trek in common.
I think all of this is the Spirit of Vanilla we often talk about here. /shrug

Ziryus-doomhammer · February 9, 2019, 11:05pm

Fesz:

Padrepwn:

One instance does not represent the community as a whole. However over time with enough data collected one can see an overall community opinion forming towards certain things and ofc certain people.
So yes while I’m starting to agree this community might not be able to handle that I just don’t think it’s because of the system. It’s the community itself. Especially over longer periods of time.

In one single instance though it’s just a group abusing a system in a single moment.
I may add this is all dependent upon the powers to be to enforce the part in their policy on abusing this system as well.
I do concur if abuse is left unchecked it will spread.
However at this current time we have very limited info on blizz’s action or inaction on this topic concerning wow. We have seen a bit of it concerning league play in other blizz games.

So is that just fluff to “ensure fairplay and sportsmanship” in their esport assests or does wow really have a problem with this that is being overlooked? -next hot streamer topic. I really should start making some videos. Lol

Hypothetically, Blizzard leaves the auto ignore in place for the right click report system but removes the auto squelch. They tie the target report number, which currently triggers an auto squelch to a “flag” on the account for manual review ASAP to determine if a violation occurred and what action, if any, is appropriate.

Tell us all how the GM’s will not have the time to review those accounts that are not auto squelched but simply “flagged” for manual review yet those same GM’s will somehow have the time to review those same “flagged” accounts if the right click report were tied to an auto squelch.

Sure like I said earlier if they actually can review things in a timely manner then that’s fine. Blizzard has however proved they won’t do that for chat issues and that’s why we have auto squelch.

But sure if they can actually handle things as you say ASAP, as in within minutes of an infraction then great.

Fesz-cenarius · February 9, 2019, 11:05pm

The problem is that “maximum number” is not necessarily a “a reflection of the general attitude of that community” and does not necessarily represent the "will of the ‘community as a whole’ ".

Removing the auto squelch while leaving the auto ignore tied to the right click report and setting that “maximum number of people a single person should be able to annoy” to flag the account for manual review ASAP to determine if a violation actually occurred still leaves that “maximum number” in place, but leaves any action in Blizzard’s hands.

If Blizzard decides that a violation occurred, they will take what they deem is appropriate action.

If Blizzard decides that no violation occurred,they will take no action.

In either case, Johnny and his cronies who were annoyed are able to avoid being annoyed further due to the temporary ignore tied to their reports.

I can only speak for myself, but that is all I am asking.

Padrepwn-kiljaeden · February 9, 2019, 11:05pm

Yes I’m purposely only quoting one word and trying to keep this short. They need to give us something to hide full post quotes.

Seriously you have to admit what you and Ziy are doing is a bit ridiculous with that?

We don’t know many back side details. So we have no reference to even compare response times to.
We don’t know if there are any kind of extra flagging to sort out abusers of the report system, players who are constantly flagged for violation, what constitutes priority?
What’s the cost comparisons?
So honestly without more data I can’t give you an answer.

Padrepwn-kiljaeden · February 9, 2019, 11:08pm

You too with that dang full quote distraction nonsense.
Any chance you could maybe stop doing that? It’s straining my eyes. Thanks.

Fesz-cenarius · February 9, 2019, 11:09pm

Ziryus:

Fesz:

Padrepwn:

One instance does not represent the community as a whole. However over time with enough data collected one can see an overall community opinion forming towards certain things and ofc certain people.
So yes while I’m starting to agree this community might not be able to handle that I just don’t think it’s because of the system. It’s the community itself. Especially over longer periods of time.

In one single instance though it’s just a group abusing a system in a single moment.
I may add this is all dependent upon the powers to be to enforce the part in their policy on abusing this system as well.
I do concur if abuse is left unchecked it will spread.
However at this current time we have very limited info on blizz’s action or inaction on this topic concerning wow. We have seen a bit of it concerning league play in other blizz games.

So is that just fluff to “ensure fairplay and sportsmanship” in their esport assests or does wow really have a problem with this that is being overlooked? -next hot streamer topic. I really should start making some videos. Lol

Hypothetically, Blizzard leaves the auto ignore in place for the right click report system but removes the auto squelch. They tie the target report number, which currently triggers an auto squelch to a “flag” on the account for manual review ASAP to determine if a violation occurred and what action, if any, is appropriate.

Tell us all how the GM’s will not have the time to review those accounts that are not auto squelched but simply “flagged” for manual review yet those same GM’s will somehow have the time to review those same “flagged” accounts if the right click report were tied to an auto squelch.

Sure like I said earlier if they actually can review things in a timely manner then that’s fine. Blizzard has however proved they won’t do that for chat issues and that’s why we have auto squelch.

But sure if they can actually handle things as you say ASAP, as in within minutes of an infraction then great.

Tell us all how the GM’s will not have the time to review those accounts that are not auto squelched but simply “flagged” for manual review yet those same GM’s will somehow have the time to review those same “flagged” accounts if the right click report were tied to an auto squelch.

Or, are you saying that it is OK for a player who was squelched even though he broke no rules to suffer an unwarranted player imposed punishment for what you apparently deem to be an intolerably long time if that time does not carry that player imposed punishment?

Ziryus-doomhammer · February 9, 2019, 11:10pm

Fesz:

Ziryus:

Fesz:

Padrepwn:

One instance does not represent the community as a whole. However over time with enough data collected one can see an overall community opinion forming towards certain things and ofc certain people.
So yes while I’m starting to agree this community might not be able to handle that I just don’t think it’s because of the system. It’s the community itself. Especially over longer periods of time.

In one single instance though it’s just a group abusing a system in a single moment.
I may add this is all dependent upon the powers to be to enforce the part in their policy on abusing this system as well.
I do concur if abuse is left unchecked it will spread.
However at this current time we have very limited info on blizz’s action or inaction on this topic concerning wow. We have seen a bit of it concerning league play in other blizz games.

So is that just fluff to “ensure fairplay and sportsmanship” in their esport assests or does wow really have a problem with this that is being overlooked? -next hot streamer topic. I really should start making some videos. Lol

Hypothetically, Blizzard leaves the auto ignore in place for the right click report system but removes the auto squelch. They tie the target report number, which currently triggers an auto squelch to a “flag” on the account for manual review ASAP to determine if a violation occurred and what action, if any, is appropriate.

Tell us all how the GM’s will not have the time to review those accounts that are not auto squelched but simply “flagged” for manual review yet those same GM’s will somehow have the time to review those same “flagged” accounts if the right click report were tied to an auto squelch.

Sure like I said earlier if they actually can review things in a timely manner then that’s fine. Blizzard has however proved they won’t do that for chat issues and that’s why we have auto squelch.

But sure if they can actually handle things as you say ASAP, as in within minutes of an infraction then great.

Tell us all how the GM’s will not have the time to review those accounts that are not auto squelched but simply “flagged” for manual review yet those same GM’s will somehow have the time to review those same “flagged” accounts if the right click report were tied to an auto squelch.

Or, are you saying that it is OK for a player who was squelched even though he broke no rules to suffer an unwarranted player imposed punishment for what you apparently deem to be an intolerably long time if that time does not carry that player imposed punishment?

Flagged for manual review was the previous system, it didn’t work. So unless you are also proposing that blizzard somehow fix what didn’t work about that system…

Ziryus-doomhammer · February 9, 2019, 11:11pm

The reply button doesn’t always link properly.

Fesz-cenarius · February 9, 2019, 11:11pm

If the same target report number is used and the only difference is that the account is only “flagged for review” and not “squelched and flagged for review”, the response time should logically be the same, should it not?