False reporting and automated ban

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

1.) there are not be enough people “offended” by rtade chat not being limited to trade related advertisements/discussions to report and trigger a squelch

OR

2.) People are squelched but Blizzard is overturning the squelch as unwarranted, which would mean they obviously see no violation in using trade chat for things and discussions completely unrelated to any type of trade.

OR

3.) It has been unenforced for so long that people no longer bother having trade chat open, viewing it as futile.

Are you arguing that trade chat should remain a wild west quagmire, just because it has always been a wild west quagmire?

If your number 1 is true, then spammers and trolls have nothing to worry about. If number 2, then Blizzard should make it clear that it is the case. Trade channel is a very specific topic channel and I doubt very much that your number 2 is the case.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

t seems obvious to me that either you are in the extreme minority if you are offended by the use of /trade for general discussions

I normally take what you post seriously, but if you are going to start using the word “offended” to describe why I might want a channel set aside from general for a specific topic to actually be limited to that topic, I am not going to bother engaging you.

[Fesz-cenarius]

t seems obvious to me that either you are in the extreme minority if you are offended by the use of /trade for general discussions

I normally take what you post seriously, but if you are going to start using the word “offended” to describe why I might want a channel set aside from general for a specific topic to actually be limited to that topic, I am not going to bother engaging you.

Would you prefer the word “bothered”?

[Fesz-cenarius]

1.) there are not be enough people “offended” by rtade chat not being limited to trade related advertisements/discussions to report and trigger a squelch

OR

2.) People are squelched but Blizzard is overturning the squelch as unwarranted, which would mean they obviously see no violation in using trade chat for things and discussions completely unrelated to any type of trade.

OR

3.) It has been unenforced for so long that people no longer bother having trade chat open, viewing it as futile.

Are you arguing that trade chat should remain a wild west quagmire, just because it has always been a wild west quagmire?

If your number 1 is true, then spammers and trolls have nothing to worry about. If number 2, then Blizzard should make it clear that it is the case. Trade channel is a very specific topic channel and I doubt very much that your number 2 is the case.

If there are not enough people that are bothered by the use of /trade for general discussion to generate enough reports trigger an auto squelch, tell us all why your personal opinion that /trade should be limited to trade related discussions, advertisements should have priority?

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

If there are not enough people that are bothered by the use of /trade for general discussion to generate enough reports trigger an auto squelch,

I would turn that around and ask you if there were enough people who were effected by it such that they finally decided to start reporting offenders en masse and leading to squelches, having been handed the tool to combat it, would it actually “offend” you?

tell us all why your personal opinion that /trade should be limited to trade related discussions, advertisements should have priority?

Oh I don’t know, perhaps because the point of the channel’s existence outside of /general is right there in the channel’s title? If you want to watch sports on ESPN or News on your choice of 24 hour news station, would it bother you if half of the content was episodes of jackass and rap videos?

Remember when MTV used to actually be music videos? Did you keep watching it when it became 99.9999999% reality TV garbage, just “ignoring” everything but the music videos that they no longer showed? Why have a trade channel if it is allowed to simply be /general part 2?

If you were reading a book on your kindle and randomly there were pictures of random household items shoving what your were reading off the page, would you be annoyed, wondering why all of this random crap was in your book, or would you just be cool old Fesz and just ignore it.

You are seriously asking why I think in my “personal opinion” /trade channel should be limited to trade? Really dude? You have officially lost it and are now just arguing for the sake of being argumentative.

[Fesz-cenarius]

If there are not enough people that are bothered by the use of /trade for general discussion to generate enough reports trigger an auto squelch,

I would turn that around and ask you if there were enough people who were effected by it such that they finally decided to start reporting offenders en masse and leading to squelches, having been handed the tool to combat it, would it actually “offend” you?

retail has had that tool for years in retail, has it not?

Removing the auto squelch from the right click report system and leaving it tied to ONLY the auto ignore to which it is already tied would still allow those who are bothered by people using /trade for things other than trade related advertisements/discussions to report anyone doing so while leaving any action up to Blizzard.

tell us all why your personal opinion that /trade should be limited to trade related discussions, advertisements should have priority?

You are seriously asking why I think in my “personal opinion” /trade channel should be limited to trade? Really dude? You have officially lost it and are now just arguing for the sake of being argumentative.

No. I am asking why you think that your personal opinion that /trade should be limited to trade only advertisements/discussions should take priority over:

A) the majority who obviously seem to feel that /trade being used for general discussion is not worthy of being reported

OR

B) Blizzard ruling that using /trade for general discussion is not a violation.

Note: I am not saying that Blizzard DID rule that using /trade for general discussion. I am saying that it is likely that either A or B applies.

If people are not reporting /trade being used for general discussion, it would appear that they feel that is perfectly acceptable.

If people are actually reporting /trade being used for general discussion, then it would appear that Blizzard does not feel that it is a violation to do so.

[Defac-aegwynn (Defac)]

If the system you describe could be implemented and work that well then yeah that would be great and I’d be all for it

[Fesz-cenarius]

If the system you describe could be implemented and work that well then yeah that would be great and I’d be all for it

Is there a reason it could not work that way?

Is there not currently a target report number that triggers the auto squelch?

Does that auto squelch not currently “flag” the squelched account for manual review to determine if that squelch was warranted?

Why would it not be possible to remove the auto squelch (while leaving the temporary auto ignore) and simply have the “target report number” “flag” the account for manual review to determine if action is warranted as opposed to whether a punishment already imposed by other players was warranted?

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Authoritarian describes a type of person. It is descriptive. It is not harmful or hurtful. It is not used to attack. It describes the way the person acts.

Correct and it far more accurately describes the one person who thinks they should have a captive audience for whatever they want to say than the people who think that when the community as a whole wants someone to be quiet that person should be quiet.

Billy is in the Barrens with his friends. They are telling Chuck Norris jokes in chat. Many of the other people in Barrens chat join in.

Johnny and his cronies are “sick of Chuck Norris jokes” and report Billy and his friends “spamming” Chuck Norris jokes.

Billy and his friends are auto squelched, even though the majority of the other players in Barrens chat had no problem with those Chuck Norris jokes and many were even joining in telling them.

Tell us all how Johnny and his cronies represent the community as a whole.

If there were enough people annoyed by it I guess maybe they shouldn’t have been telling said jokes

[Scharzula-earthen-ring]

If there were enough people annoyed by it I guess maybe they shouldn’t have been telling said jokes

I think his point went “whoosh” right over your head.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Authoritarian describes a type of person. It is descriptive. It is not harmful or hurtful. It is not used to attack. It describes the way the person acts.

Correct and it far more accurately describes the one person who thinks they should have a captive audience for whatever they want to say than the people who think that when the community as a whole wants someone to be quiet that person should be quiet.

Billy is in the Barrens with his friends. They are telling Chuck Norris jokes in chat. Many of the other people in Barrens chat join in.

Johnny and his cronies are “sick of Chuck Norris jokes” and report Billy and his friends “spamming” Chuck Norris jokes.

Billy and his friends are auto squelched, even though the majority of the other players in Barrens chat had no problem with those Chuck Norris jokes and many were even joining in telling them.

Tell us all how Johnny and his cronies represent the community as a whole.

If there were enough people annoyed by it I guess maybe they shouldn’t have been telling said jokes

How does the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just a minority imposing their will on that community?

[Fesz-cenarius]

If there were enough people annoyed by it I guess maybe they shouldn’t have been telling said jokes

I think his point went “whoosh” right over your head.

I don’t think it went right over his head.

I think he understood exactly what the point was. He simply has to deflect and try to obfuscate in the hopes that others miss the point.

If you need proof, wait for his response to my clarification. He will still refuse to actually answer the question while trying to obfuscate and deflect in an attempt to further his goal of seeing classic made as far from vanilla as possible.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Authoritarian describes a type of person. It is descriptive. It is not harmful or hurtful. It is not used to attack. It describes the way the person acts.

Correct and it far more accurately describes the one person who thinks they should have a captive audience for whatever they want to say than the people who think that when the community as a whole wants someone to be quiet that person should be quiet.

Billy is in the Barrens with his friends. They are telling Chuck Norris jokes in chat. Many of the other people in Barrens chat join in.

Johnny and his cronies are “sick of Chuck Norris jokes” and report Billy and his friends “spamming” Chuck Norris jokes.

Billy and his friends are auto squelched, even though the majority of the other players in Barrens chat had no problem with those Chuck Norris jokes and many were even joining in telling them.

Tell us all how Johnny and his cronies represent the community as a whole.

If there were enough people annoyed by it I guess maybe they shouldn’t have been telling said jokes

How does the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just a minority imposing their will on that community?

How does a couple people trying to make fart jokes represent the community as a whole?

[Scharzula-earthen-ring]

You called it, deflection detected lol.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Authoritarian describes a type of person. It is descriptive. It is not harmful or hurtful. It is not used to attack. It describes the way the person acts.

Correct and it far more accurately describes the one person who thinks they should have a captive audience for whatever they want to say than the people who think that when the community as a whole wants someone to be quiet that person should be quiet.

Billy is in the Barrens with his friends. They are telling Chuck Norris jokes in chat. Many of the other people in Barrens chat join in.

Johnny and his cronies are “sick of Chuck Norris jokes” and report Billy and his friends “spamming” Chuck Norris jokes.

Billy and his friends are auto squelched, even though the majority of the other players in Barrens chat had no problem with those Chuck Norris jokes and many were even joining in telling them.

Tell us all how Johnny and his cronies represent the community as a whole.

If there were enough people annoyed by it I guess maybe they shouldn’t have been telling said jokes

How does the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just a minority imposing their will on that community?

How does a couple people trying to make fart jokes represent the community as a whole?

Those couple of people do not represent the community as a whole. I don’t recall ever saying that they do represent the “community as a whole”. I don’t even recall saying that they should not be reported for telling “fart jokes” (or Chuck Norris jokes).

I said that ANY action(including a squelch) should be left up to Blizzard, not Johnny and his cronies.

Once again, tell us all how the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just that minority imposing their will on that community?

[Fesz-cenarius]

Authoritarian describes a type of person. It is descriptive. It is not harmful or hurtful. It is not used to attack. It describes the way the person acts.

Correct and it far more accurately describes the one person who thinks they should have a captive audience for whatever they want to say than the people who think that when the community as a whole wants someone to be quiet that person should be quiet.

Billy is in the Barrens with his friends. They are telling Chuck Norris jokes in chat. Many of the other people in Barrens chat join in.

Johnny and his cronies are “sick of Chuck Norris jokes” and report Billy and his friends “spamming” Chuck Norris jokes.

Billy and his friends are auto squelched, even though the majority of the other players in Barrens chat had no problem with those Chuck Norris jokes and many were even joining in telling them.

Tell us all how Johnny and his cronies represent the community as a whole.

If there were enough people annoyed by it I guess maybe they shouldn’t have been telling said jokes

How does the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just a minority imposing their will on that community?

How does a couple people trying to make fart jokes represent the community as a whole?

Called it.

He simply has to deflect and try to obfuscate in the hopes that others miss the point.

If you need proof, wait for his response to my clarification. He will still refuse to actually answer the question while trying to obfuscate and deflect in an attempt to further his goal of seeing classic made as far from vanilla as possible.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Authoritarian describes a type of person. It is descriptive. It is not harmful or hurtful. It is not used to attack. It describes the way the person acts.

Correct and it far more accurately describes the one person who thinks they should have a captive audience for whatever they want to say than the people who think that when the community as a whole wants someone to be quiet that person should be quiet.

Billy is in the Barrens with his friends. They are telling Chuck Norris jokes in chat. Many of the other people in Barrens chat join in.

Johnny and his cronies are “sick of Chuck Norris jokes” and report Billy and his friends “spamming” Chuck Norris jokes.

Billy and his friends are auto squelched, even though the majority of the other players in Barrens chat had no problem with those Chuck Norris jokes and many were even joining in telling them.

Tell us all how Johnny and his cronies represent the community as a whole.

If there were enough people annoyed by it I guess maybe they shouldn’t have been telling said jokes

How does the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just a minority imposing their will on that community?

How does a couple people trying to make fart jokes represent the community as a whole?

Those couple of people do not represent the community as a whole. I don’t recall ever saying that they do represent the “community as a whole”. I don’t even recall saying that they should not be reported for telling “fart jokes” (or Chuck Norris jokes).

I said that ANY action(including a squelch) should be left up to Blizzard, not Johnny and his cronies.

Once again, tell us all how the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just that minority imposing their will on that community?

So this is true auto squelch as far as I know is a fixed number not a ratio of people in the zone. So in some cases it will take a vast majority of people who saw something to get the squelch other times less so. That doesn’t mean it’s not a reflection of the attitude of multiple people.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Authoritarian describes a type of person. It is descriptive. It is not harmful or hurtful. It is not used to attack. It describes the way the person acts.

Correct and it far more accurately describes the one person who thinks they should have a captive audience for whatever they want to say than the people who think that when the community as a whole wants someone to be quiet that person should be quiet.

Billy is in the Barrens with his friends. They are telling Chuck Norris jokes in chat. Many of the other people in Barrens chat join in.

Johnny and his cronies are “sick of Chuck Norris jokes” and report Billy and his friends “spamming” Chuck Norris jokes.

Billy and his friends are auto squelched, even though the majority of the other players in Barrens chat had no problem with those Chuck Norris jokes and many were even joining in telling them.

Tell us all how Johnny and his cronies represent the community as a whole.

If there were enough people annoyed by it I guess maybe they shouldn’t have been telling said jokes

How does the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just a minority imposing their will on that community?

How does a couple people trying to make fart jokes represent the community as a whole?

Those couple of people do not represent the community as a whole. I don’t recall ever saying that they do represent the “community as a whole”. I don’t even recall saying that they should not be reported for telling “fart jokes” (or Chuck Norris jokes).

I said that ANY action(including a squelch) should be left up to Blizzard, not Johnny and his cronies.

Once again, tell us all how the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just that minority imposing their will on that community?

So this is true auto squelch as far as I know is a fixed number not a ratio of people in the zone. So in some cases it will take a vast majority of people who saw something to get the squelch other times less so. That doesn’t mean it’s not a reflection of the attitude of multiple people.

You are still trying to obfuscate and deflect, I see. I don’t recall ever saying that multiple reports do not represent “a reflection of the attitude of multiple people”?

“A reflection of the attitude of multiple people” is hardly the same thing as "a reflection of the attitude of ‘the community as a whole’ ".

I know you will still refuse to actually answer the question and simply try to deflect and obfuscate, but once again, tell us all how the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just that minority imposing their will on that community?

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

I know you will still refuse to actually answer the question and simply try to deflect and obfuscate, but once again, tell us all how the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just that minority imposing their will on that community?

You’re right, Ziryus will continue to dodge you and spin his propaganda to promote a system he personally wants in game.

I took the liberty to watch the youtube video some one posted about the auto-squelch.

It clearly does not take any real effort what so ever to get a ban. They demonstrated how it can be exploited in BG’s even in 10 man; they were able to instantly DC the enemy team raid leader, they even used it in a small group to give one of their guild members the booter too.

The system is toxic and must not be included in Classic WoW. Any effort we must make to prevent this system from getting into Classic WoW is worth the effort because it’s that destructive.

I can assure you that the system will be abused in Classic WoW because of the nature of the game. If players do not know or do not remember just how fierce the combat and competition of the PVE and PVP game in Classic was in the past then they have no ground to stand on regarding this system and its implementation in Classic when it ships.

Any one who doubts this system will not be abused is either ignorant of the original game and its core nature OR they are deliberately ignorant of the situation.

As for the people promoting that Activision will take retribution on false reports; you’re sorely mistaken. They’re not going to put forth the effort, because that’s extra labor that they would need to pay for.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Authoritarian describes a type of person. It is descriptive. It is not harmful or hurtful. It is not used to attack. It describes the way the person acts.

Correct and it far more accurately describes the one person who thinks they should have a captive audience for whatever they want to say than the people who think that when the community as a whole wants someone to be quiet that person should be quiet.

Billy is in the Barrens with his friends. They are telling Chuck Norris jokes in chat. Many of the other people in Barrens chat join in.

Johnny and his cronies are “sick of Chuck Norris jokes” and report Billy and his friends “spamming” Chuck Norris jokes.

Billy and his friends are auto squelched, even though the majority of the other players in Barrens chat had no problem with those Chuck Norris jokes and many were even joining in telling them.

Tell us all how Johnny and his cronies represent the community as a whole.

If there were enough people annoyed by it I guess maybe they shouldn’t have been telling said jokes

How does the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just a minority imposing their will on that community?

How does a couple people trying to make fart jokes represent the community as a whole?

Those couple of people do not represent the community as a whole. I don’t recall ever saying that they do represent the “community as a whole”. I don’t even recall saying that they should not be reported for telling “fart jokes” (or Chuck Norris jokes).

I said that ANY action(including a squelch) should be left up to Blizzard, not Johnny and his cronies.

Once again, tell us all how the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just that minority imposing their will on that community?

So this is true auto squelch as far as I know is a fixed number not a ratio of people in the zone. So in some cases it will take a vast majority of people who saw something to get the squelch other times less so. That doesn’t mean it’s not a reflection of the attitude of multiple people.

You are still trying to obfuscate and deflect, I see. I don’t recall ever saying that multiple reports do not represent “a reflection of the attitude of multiple people”?

“A reflection of the attitude of multiple people” is hardly the same thing as "a reflection of the attitude of ‘the community as a whole’ ".

I know you will still refuse to actually answer the question and simply try to deflect and obfuscate, but once again, tell us all how the minority of Johnny and his cronies represent the “community as a whole” and not just that minority imposing their will on that community?

If enough people who heard what you said and reports gets you squelched it’s a reflection of the general attitude of that community.