False reporting and automated ban

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

Yea. I know. I’m not the one asking for clarification on this and grasping at any inconsistency that can be somehow contended.
Either list shows this won’t effect grouping in classic like what was being claimed at the start of the alt brigade crusade on this topic.
I think that’s also why it’s quieted down quite a bit from this initial rush. People know they look foolish arguing how something works when in fact it doesn’t work as they claimed.
That deflated a lot of this. That is why it’s right back to “grow thicker skin” because that is where it started. That is also why it was being tried here in the court of classic public opinion on the grounds “it’s going to ruin classic grouping”.

People can call that off topic and irrelevant all they want but manipulation and subversion of the masses can and is a real thing.
There’s a book (that’s how many old) called the Art of War. These are not new concepts.
In fact these concepts among many others in that book have been adapted and used in business practices. It’s practically required reading these days in that world. Yea. It’s not real though.
No one else finds it funny the thick skin/snowflake issue is heating up again on the internet the closer we get to election time? Uh huh.
/gold foil hat

[Studmuffyn-veknilash (Studmuffyn)]

Either list shows this won’t effect grouping in classic like what was being claimed at the start of the alt brigade crusade on this topic.

Well count me among the confused on how it is worded,lol.

Silenced Players are unable to send Party Invitations.
Silenced Players are able to create Party and Raids.

how can that work?

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Look again this one has also been posted from blizz’s site.

Again, I was going off what you linked. I, simply, repeated it.

Now. As you can see from an official blizz source your contradiction has clarity.
You caught up now and all clear? Can we crack on now or you gonna hang your hat on conflicting info from a 3rd party source?
Because it seems you missed the updated info and are hanging onto a “discrepancy” from a 3rd party source.
That while yes was linked first. A more recent link to a an official blizz source has been provided in this discussion.
I thought this was all quite clear in the course of this “discussion”. Across what 4 threads?

Ofc you say my stance on what this is really about is irrelevant. It flies in the face of the claim “this will destroy classic”…uh huh. That official blizz statement debunked that claim…
Next.

Edit to add:Maybe some here could do some alt brigading over on wowhead to encourage them to update their out of date info on this topic.

I’m very much caught up. A Silenced person cannot send out party invitations, initiate whispers to non-friends nor speak in the public chat channels. I still find it to be somewhat problematic (at least for Classic, 'cause that’s what we’re talking about), for them trying to fill Parties, that are being advertised

EDIT: Or even Guilds.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

Ok. My apologies I see there. My bad I thought it was the difference between the two different postings.

I read that as on the left is instance bg, lfr, lfd and the group finder tool. The right would be manual made groups.

Ok. I agree that could be clearer. Guess I wasn’t caught up. Lol.
Also since there are so many being squelched falsely why doesn’t someone do some testing while awaiting blizz’s ruling of their complete innocence?

One of the streamer’s sheep can ask them to make a video of what you can and actually can not do while squelched.
This sure isn’t an end all.

Heck maybe even a post over in CS on this discrepancy may garner a response. Instead. Here we are. In the court of public opinion with no current word from blizz.

Anyone else like puppies and lasagna? I think puppies and lasagna might get a blue response here but good luck with that response being anything about this topic. Lol

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

Quite a few work arounds to this too. Have a non silenced friend advertise for the group being one way.
Have a friend whisper the party leader you’re trying to join and have him send the silenced an /inv.
Just off the top of my head.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

The system that has already been in use for years?

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Alrighty then, I shall seek to it, the CS Forums. Also, I still find to be somewhat problematic, when Classic comes, if the Silent person can’t create Parties

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

Well. Hopefully we get some clarification to these game breaking issues for those who will be impacted by them in the next blizz communication on classic or a blue strolls in and clarifies how the system works/penalties for abuse and such.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Either way this system is meaningless, contrary to everything Classic WoW a game you’re unlikely to play and in addition there are greater than 10 to 1 against you regarding this yet you post constantly against everyone that totally rejects your view.

10 to 1? Lol alt avatars don’t count man.

I think it’s down to just you Ziryus and maybe 3 others, vs the no joke numerous others who post against this system.

Yea. I’m not buying that all of these new avatars made within the past few weeks are new comers to the forums.
That is simply an unverifiable assumption.

Assuming that they are all alt avatars is somehow a verifiable assumption?

Your claim that they are all alt avatars does mesh with your desires, unlike admitting that there may actually be a majority of posters favoring right click report not being tied to an auto squelch.

[Fesz-cenarius]

ya know what? The game worked just fine with the old system and that’s what we’re trying to preserve

I guess I would counter that the old system worked well for you. 2004-2006 wow had its share of racists and bigots and the rest of the scum of the internet same as any large group of online people. Some people didn’t like that, and I’m comfortable saying that when classic launches, that element will be there again.

The report system back then was sometimes slow to act and took time out of playing for the person doing the reporting. It also probably had a higher cost to operate than the modern system. I’ve been convinced that the automatic action from multiple reports could make the game harder for some innocent people who just get in the cross-hairs of well connected trolls, but I’m not willing to say that there shouldn’t be some effort to try and have a better way to get action on behaviors that need action.

Give players the ability to right click report so they don’t have to “take time out of playing to file a report”.

Tie that right click report to an auto ignore and NOT an auto squelch. Instead of auto squelching an account if a target report number is reached, “flag” the account and generate a ticket for GM review ASAP.

This should not require much, if any, additional manpower if "all auto squelched are manually reviewed before being upgraded to a ‘silence’ ", right?

The time before GM review should also be no longer than the current time for a GM to review an auto squelch, right?

[Fesz-cenarius]

You’re opening a massive can of worms that you don’t want to open with this line of thinking.

If you scroll up you will see cited blizzard text that state the same. Enough with the melodramatic statements. The system has been in place for years in retail.

And nobody ever uses /trade for anything other than trade related advertisements/discussions, right?

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

You’re opening a massive can of worms that you don’t want to open with this line of thinking.

If you scroll up you will see cited blizzard text that state the same. Enough with the melodramatic statements. The system has been in place for years in retail.

And nobody ever uses /trade for anything other than trade related advertisements/discussions, right?

Uncertain what your point is. People flood trade with idiocy on a constant basis. I am all for having that chaff cracked down on so that it can be what is meant to be, for trade.

[Fesz-cenarius]

You’re opening a massive can of worms that you don’t want to open with this line of thinking.

If you scroll up you will see cited blizzard text that state the same. Enough with the melodramatic statements. The system has been in place for years in retail.

And nobody ever uses /trade for anything other than trade related advertisements/discussions, right?

Uncertain what your point is. People flood trade with idiocy on a constant basis.

Maybe I am just being naive, but it seems to me that if “people flood trade with idiocy on a constant basis” and those people are able to continue to do so, that one of two things is happening. Either:

1.) there are not be enough people “offended” by rtade chat not being limited to trade related advertisements/discussions to report and trigger a squelch

OR

2.) People are squelched but Blizzard is overturning the squelch as unwarranted, which would mean they obviously see no violation in using trade chat for things and discussions completely unrelated to any type of trade.

I am all for having that chaff cracked down on so that it can be what is meant to be, for trade.

It seems obvious to me that either you are in the extreme minority if you are offended by the use of /trade for general discussions or that Blizzard does not feel that using /trade for general discussions is perfectly acceptable and not any type of violation.

It seems that you apparently think that you should have the right to squelch anyone who uses trade for anything other than trade related advertisements.discussions.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Authoritarian describes a type of person. It is descriptive. It is not harmful or hurtful. It is not used to attack. It describes the way the person acts.

Correct and it far more accurately describes the one person who thinks they should have a captive audience for whatever they want to say than the people who think that when the community as a whole wants someone to be quiet that person should be quiet.

Billy is in the Barrens with his friends. They are telling Chuck Norris jokes in chat. Many of the other people in Barrens chat join in.

Johnny and his cronies are “sick of Chuck Norris jokes” and report Billy and his friends “spamming” Chuck Norris jokes.

Billy and his friends are auto squelched, even though the majority of the other players in Barrens chat had no problem with those Chuck Norris jokes and many were even joining in telling them.

Tell us all how Johnny and his cronies represent the community as a whole.

[Studmuffyn-veknilash (Studmuffyn)]

Tie that right click report to an auto ignore and NOT an auto squelch. Instead of auto squelching an account if a t

it already has an ignore tied to it:O)

[Fesz-cenarius]

Tie that right click report to an auto ignore and NOT an auto squelch. Instead of auto squelching an account if a t

it already has an ignore tied to it:O)

Ok. I guess in the future I will have to specify “leave it tied ONLY to the current auto ignore and remove the auto squelch” to satisfy some.

I thought that my meaning would have been obvious, but then again I still have to continually clarify that “instant gratifcation” is a figure of speech and not literally “instant”.

[Studmuffyn-veknilash (Studmuffyn)]

Relax, you present like it isn’t part of it already, no need to get all worked up about it, there are lots of misunderstood facts flying around so we should try hard to be precise when we can.

[Fesz-cenarius]

when the community as a whole wants someone to be quiet that person should be quiet.

How are you quantifying this? Do you put up a poll before you report?

That kind of the exact nature of how the reports work, you get enough reports you get the squelch.

“Enough reports” does not necessarily even begin to represent even a significant minority, let alone a majority or the “community as a whole”.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Relax, you present like it isn’t part of it already, no need to get all worked up about it, there are lots of misunderstood facts flying around so we should try hard to be precise when we can.

If we are talking about what the system could include (let’s call it “A”) if the auto squelch was removed, does it really make a difference if the system includes “A” now?

[Studmuffyn-veknilash (Studmuffyn)]

Well yes, people should also know that is how is currently works, its at least one thing we all know happens for sure, but I understand what you are going for here , you are talking about a suggested adjusted system.