And “what” happened? It is clear that you have had your share of bans in the past (“after talking to a GM” indeed) and you just do not want your bad behavior cracked down on.
In my case I got it reversed. And it happened one time. These people had a grudge. But its ok, you can have all the fantasies about what happened.
Sorry, I am not buying that 2 people reported you, you got actioned in game and then it was reversed. Unless it was the old system and one GM overrode the decision of another.
Thats what happens when there is a dispute.
i remember being on the general forums posting about raider io and saying people could solve it by gasp making their own groups.
i know . such a radical idea.
heres a new saying. right click ignore someone instead of right click reporting someone which is temporary . the right click ignore goes on for as long as you want it to.
agency of people to do things they want should never be discounted or looked upon as bad.
only authoritarians who look to control others according to their own wishes are against something like this.
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Or actually enforcing resolutions of the general assembly.
![:thinking:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/thinking.png?v=6" ":thinking:")
What if that person wants to all caps shout the N word in the barrens? That’s an example of behaviors that I saw happen in vanilla that this system could stop. You’re right. You have the freedom to do what you want. And you have to accept that society may inforce consequences for that behavior.
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I would not call that a buzzword; its a word that describes a type of personality.
It accurately describes the people who both want to be on top of that kind of a system and those who want to live under it.
Most of the time in an Authoritarian dictatorship or Authoritarian oligarchy the “subjects” that being you and I are at the whim of those in charge via means of subjective rules that are vague for the reason of capricious enforcement.
Authoritarian’s both the in charge and the subjects who favor this system dislike the rule of law and due process and always favor a guilty until proven innocent mechanism of enforcement.
These people do not like, or practice the rule of law; instead they practice mob justice through propaganda or pure authoritarian governance in any society where the mob is harder to sway in their favor.
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You know where I stand. You can have the last word on this, Gnocci. The example you provide could be perceived as paradoxical for several reasons, and probably lends weight to my camp.
Just make sure you do not cross this red line.
I mean this red line.
Maybe this one?
How much money would you like to stop stepping over our red lines?
Obama red line in Syria?
Anyway, not sure that’s what you are talking about. If so, not what I was talking about.
Except there is no ‘rule of law’ dictating social behavior in WoW. Acceptable behavior is determined by player reports per the code of conduct. If it gets reported, it can be deemed unacceptable. If it’s unacceptable, the person is subject to action. That’s the rule. If you don’t like it, don’t play blizzards games or petition them to change their code of conduct. Go log in and go to a capital city. People still say whatever they want in trade chat, and you’ve made it abundantly clear that is actually what you want, the freedom to say what you want it chat. You’ll still be able to, but just like any social situation, there are consequences for what you say.
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I’m not going to pretend to know what Williams is completely asking for.
Everything you say is true about rules. I think if I had to choose an authoritarian body, between the playerbase and Blizzard CS, I would choose Blizzard. They are the lesser of the two evils when determining who gets punished for what.
Make sense?
The people in favor of the new system are power hungry; and want results right now!
Problem with that way of thinking is that it’s a damned be the consequences mob rule / lynch mob mentality that can easily falsely accuse some one.
This is why an impartial 3rd party a judge is used in all civilized societies and why the GM in game should ultimately be that judge because they were not involved in the reporting.
This is a standard mode of operation of all civilized societies that follow the rule of law.
This system in modern WoW that some would like to impose on us in Classic follows not that functioning template of impartial justice, but instead follows the authoritarian model of mob justice where it can be had.
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If you think GMs in vanilla were impartial justice you remember a different game than me.
This is the same system thats in place now, so why aren’t the general chat forums blowing up about false accusations?
I have read two convincing situations for auto silencing to be abused for personal gain in the game: in battlegrounds targeting opposing teams, and trade chat squelching someone trying to undercut your pricing. I cannot find a single example someone claiming the trade chat thing actually happens on the general forums, and no one can tell me how much the battlegrounds thing actually happens. But still, those are real enough concerns that maybe this system doesn’t belong in classic.
However, what I don’t see is people saying they were just minding their own business with normal chat getting banned into oblivion by ‘the mob’. Are trolls going to be that much more prevalent in classic? Is retail troll free?
Just because you do not agree with how things were handled does not make them un-just.
Murders being executed on death row typically object to be executed for their crimes against humanity.
Thieves often balk when they’re arrested by the police for shop lifting.
You know what’s not ok? Mob justice, because that’s where minorities got dealt with harshly and often paid with their lives because some jerk spread rumor and lies to do such horrible things.
https:/ /xkcd.com/1357/
And also no, try going into most venues and just randomly saying whatever you want as obnoxiously as you can, the results will not be met positively by the general community.
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You should not post things that contain profanity Ziryus, that’s against the forum code of conduct.
I am all for a strong /ignore feature, even a feature to effectively completely block interaction of any kind with a character an individual personally finds offensive, but I think the automated ban hammer is WAYYYY out of line, and rife for abuse.
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