Yeah but you can ignore some one after you report them for game conduct violation if you’re going to be a hall monitor like that.
You only need to make a single report and a GM will look into it; it does not take mob rule to get this done.
Furthermore you’re still posting in a forum for a game that I doubt you really want to play… So why put this great effort forward to defend your game virtue against us since you’re unlikely to play any way?
Additionally consider that no effort is saved on the part of a GM by click to re-port; instead the system likely creates more work than it the proponents like your self claim that it would save.
How is this so? Because it’s far easier to report people in the new system than in the old, and yes GM’s review any report or contest of squelch.
Either way this system is meaningless, contrary to everything Classic WoW a game you’re unlikely to play and in addition there are greater than 10 to 1 against you regarding this yet you post constantly against everyone that totally rejects your view.
I think it’s down to just you Ziryus and maybe 3 others, vs the no joke numerous others who post against this system.
This system is as horrible for Classic WoW as sharding or loot trading; because they never existed in Classic originally and will cause harm to how the game is played and to the atmosphere of the community.
We need none of the modern stuff to play Classic WoW; we fully reject this garbage for what it is and absolutely insist on the original systems as they were 100% functional and did their job well.
If it did don’t ya think the greed that the sheep’s streamer overlords claim is so rampant would cause blizz to address it in a hurry?
Seriously. On one hand the streamers and their followers are painting this picture that greed is ruling blizz and this horrible slashing of CS is due to greed yet now the claim is this costs more money and blizz is just ignoring the bleeding money? That makes no sense whatsoever…
10 to 1? Lol alt avatars don’t count man.
Yea. I’m not buying that all of these new avatars made within the past few weeks are new comers to the forums.
That is simply an unverifiable assumption.
You must have a mouse in your pocket because you don’t speak for everyone. Obviously those systems didn’t work as well on blizz’s end as it seemed to work on the user end for some.
Maybe that’s why so many seem to think you could get away with more back in the day? The system couldn’t even begin to keep up.
Guess everyone forgets the complaints about waiting a week for a GM reply. Now the narratuve is the old system was perfect. Lol. Funny.
That stuff goes both ways. I only post from this character only because it helps to make sure people know who’s talking.
Many voices saying the same exact thing are no more helpful than a single well stated voice.
Yet many voices that are only a single voice; it’s kinda obvious. I have a feeling you’re one of the few that like Mogar and myself only post from a single character and we are here and have been here since the old forums.
I often agree with you on things I felt that its totally fair to respond constructively rather than just ignore it as noise regarding the above.
Any way, I do feel there are quite a lot of people who feel like I do about this because ya know what? The game worked just fine with the old system and that’s what we’re trying to preserve by rejecting the modern system that some would add.
I guess I would counter that the old system worked well for you. 2004-2006 wow had its share of racists and bigots and the rest of the scum of the internet same as any large group of online people. Some people didn’t like that, and I’m comfortable saying that when classic launches, that element will be there again.
The report system back then was sometimes slow to act and took time out of playing for the person doing the reporting. It also probably had a higher cost to operate than the modern system. I’ve been convinced that the automatic action from multiple reports could make the game harder for some innocent people who just get in the cross-hairs of well connected trolls, but I’m not willing to say that there shouldn’t be some effort to try and have a better way to get action on behaviors that need action.
Couldn’t it also possibly be that the vast majority really do not care enough to weigh in on the issue and simply continue to act accordingly and play the game they enjoy? Perhaps those who have actually been effected by this are such a minute almost non-existent statistic and the rest are going about their lives as they always have?
By and large I would theorize that people are not logging on to the game to be attention ho’s outside of a comically small number who proclaim doom and gloom if their antisocial behavior bites them in the rump.
No, it did not. Having people driven out of public channels just to avoid the drivel was not “working fine”.
The system in modern wow is flawed by design; innocent people will be targeted just because they voice a disagreement with someone in chat or because of any other long list of reasons…
One of the biggest problems with the moderns system is that the letter of the law is controlled in part by the players instead of a well constructed system that is fair and just. Because the definition of what’s deemed acceptable in game is now up too the player base instead of a strict set of rules; now any one can be targeted by the mob.
It’s been pointed out above that the new system may actually cost more and likely does and I will point out why.
With the new system the ease of use to report is obviously less involved for the player doing the reporting and in turn creates a situation where more reports are filed more frequently.
GM’s do review all of these because that’s what their job is.
Under the old system you were required to type up a description of the situation and then send it in for a GM to review and take the correct action.
Both systems require the GM to review the report be it a report penned by you or a click to report like before.
Furthermore the new system also requires the GM to review the complaints of those who get squelched to see if that was unjust or not.
It’s kinda obvious that the new system costs more in labor and is also ineffective because it costs more to operate and creates problems for the players.
I’d love to know from where you obtained the operating budget for the report system. Also where you are seeing statistics for “problems” caused for the players.
You don’t need to be an accountant to figure out what systems will cost you a ton of extra money.
The ease of making a claim directly escalates the frequency and in turn the cost of function.
The only way to eliminate that cost is by replacing all the GM’s with bots… Right now bots are incapable of actual thought and cannot make decisions on nuance.
Yes and honestly I appreciate that. There’s a few here who stick to a forum “main”.
That depends. More “voices” means that single voice can be drowned out easier.
Yea except when you don’t know for absolute sure if it’s one person pretending to be 10 voices. Lol
There’s a few here that stick to one main or like BW and some others makes it a point to say hey this me on an alt.
This topic though. You can go back through all these threads and pick out the fresh avatars and see the attempt to steer this on “popular” opinion. Which is why I believe none are taking it to CS where it might get some real results.
Like I said. Get the masses fired up. Facts be damned.
Appreciate that my good man. I find myself agreeing with you often as well. We just don’t on this issue and that’s cool. I just don’t like how this began because it looks to me like this is subversion and they have rolled folks like yourself into it.
I get why you and others don’t want it changed because Vanilla. (in a nutshell not in a demeaning way. Just because that is how it was. I get that)
However those who are driving this that is not their motives and that was apparent when they came here claiming how it was going to destroy classic grouping. Yet didn’t even understand how the system worked or what was restricted.
That screams ulterior motives. Especially when that was shown. It went right back to “thin skin use ignore”. (Not you but some posters) That is not about preserving classic. That is the same “we can’t say what we want” arguments from Facebook and the election. Funny all of this calmed down after the election. Yet here we are getting closer to the next one and it’s ramping up again. Lol
Yea. Manipulation and subversion are really real…
1 person reporting does not auto squelch it takes many people. and again it only lasts a few hours until a Gm removes it, or increases it to a full silence.
How it worked:
Player 1 says something
player 2 says a bad thing
player 3 reports both
Player 2 keeps saying bad things in trade chat
3 hours later Gm steps in, checks ticket, reads ticket, then checks text and then deems it worthy or not worthy of silence. Player 1 is uneffected, play 2 is silenced
how it works now:
player 1 chats
player 2 swears in trade chat
player 3 reports player 1 and 2
player 4 reports player 2
player 5 reports player 2
player 6 reports player 2
player 7 reports player 2
player 8 reports player 2
player 9 reports player 2
player 10 reports player 2
player 11 reports player 2
Player 1 is uneffected
player 2 is sqeulched and now cannot spam trade chat any longer
3 hours later a gm checks auto squelch first. He was spamming swears, silence. Then checks player 1, and deems them no need for a silence.
If they were actually good at their jobs rather than trying to promote some political garbage or feebly attempting to move over to the exclusionist and preditory chinese market I would be making a lot more money on my now garbage investment of Activision stock.
Blizzards code of conduct section on behavior: “Acceptable behavior is determined by player reports and Blizzard’s decision.”
This is true across all of their platforms. The community decides what is acceptable based on their reports. I agree that the auto squelch may be really problematic in a few select circumstances. But I’m not against the intent of a system that lets blatantly offensive chat get shut down immediately.
Blizzard has posted in their customer service forum that they will never provide a set list of rules for what can and can’t be said because the only purpose of that list would be for people to try and find loopholes. It’s a social game. Society has unwritten rules outside of video games too. There are things you know will have repercussions if you start shouting them in public. It’s the same thing. There are things I wouldn’t talk about with a bartender in rural Iowa that talk about all the time with my barber in Minneapolis. Because the social space I’m in has determined what is okay to talk about.
You’re missing the point entirely. I am not trying to define rules; instead saying that the mob should have no power to enforce anything.
The GM’s are free to take action, but the player should only have the power to report, not infringe on the ability of others to communicate.
Trolls will unfortunately make a mockery of this system in short order. When a deluge of trolls are spam reporting people it’s a massive problem for the GM’s because now they have to instead not only un-squelch people but also investigate who’s doing what and they will have a lot more work to do if they desire actual justice to be exacted on those trolls.
The modern system only empowers trolls; this is something I really don’t want to happen.
No you just don’t want any enforcement. You say you don’t want the general populace to enforce the rules and that’s fine but then you don’t propose any better solution. Clearly the system prior to right click reporting didn’t work, so if that is what you want to go back to you just want to go back to no enforcement.
I do not think that is what he is saying. I think he is saying you can still report them, but you will not be the judge and executioner. It would just take a little bit longer to enforce. Meanwhile while it was reported auto ignore could take over and you would be protected from his speech.