It’s all good because I /ignore.
Agreed, but not my concern. Report them. Some people like him, some people don’t. Who are you to decide this? You said earlier you got silenced because you engaged in a reply. Not cool, but I wouldn’t have engaged to begin with because I know where this could lead.
Glad to hear it and kudos.
I mean…I’m just trying to best understand you and give my thoughts
Tying those reports to any kind of auto squelch makes that squelch player driven, also.
Tie the right click report to an auto ignore, NOT an auto squelch and when that report number threshold is reached flag the account and the reports to be reviewed ASAP.
If it were ONLY players who were “behaving badly” that would suffer that “immediate and temporary unpleasantness”, I would be more inclined to agree with you. It would NOT be ONLY players who were “behaving badly” that would suffer that “immediate and temporary unpleasantness”, though.
You still have not yet addressed how Blizzard can prove that that those reports were fraudulently submitted and not just a case of the reporters standards of acceptable behavior are different than Blizzard’s standards.
Billy thinks it will be funny to try to start a typical chat spam by posting “did someone say <Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker>” in chat. He draws enough reports to silence him because that is generally only said to start chat spam. By the time enough people report him, however, he has said 5 other innocuous things in chat. The later people reporting are just clicking on Billy;s name for those later chat posts, not the offending “did someone say” chat post. How does linking those later reports to specific innocuous chat posts help?
Upon review Blizzard overturns that silence. How do they prove that those reporting Billy did so maliciously and “fraudulently”?
Do you have the same level of skepticism as applied to manually filed reports? You are making a case to not have humans attempting to determine these things.
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It’s not that I am skeptical or do not trust Blizzard to determine if Johnny actually broke any rules if Johnny receives enough reports to reach that report number threshold.
I am skeptical that if Blizzard finds those reports do not warrant any action, that they can prove that those reports were actually filed maliciously and/or fraudulently in order to take action against the reporting players.
Hypothetically:
You post in chat that you just bought the new Kanye West album and think it is a work of musical genius.
I and many others report you and within minutes you are squelched.
Blizzard reviews the chat logs and overturns the squelch.
How do they prove that I and the others reporting you did so maliciously and./or fraudulently and not because we subjectively honestly believed that you were trying to troll by bringing up a controversial and polarizing public figure disliked by many and declaring him a “musical genius”?
I hear you…i do listen. I do read and believe me I get where a lot of you are doing from. I do. Believe me, I do.
I want Classic to be the best time you have ever had. Yes I was wrong, yes I was opposed to it. But its coming, and as an adult, its therefore on me to do whats right, and help all of you.
To get behind it.
You may not believe me, its true nonetheless.
Im not on this “nochanges” schtick, I can see a few places where changes would help, but thats kinda between the ones who will be playing, not me. You lot want to clobber each other with cheese sticks, be my guest.![:rofl:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/rofl.png?v=6" ":rofl:")
That said, the comment that reporting for someone swearing and using foul language is a violation of the CoC is totally idiotic. When i do a report what was said is included in the report.
To be blunt.
When that report is seen, a mod wont say “Hey he keeps reporting for silly things” he or she is going to see the foul language and they will THANK ME for doing so.
You dont have a license to swear. You dont have a license to tell disgusting, obscene jokes, use obscene language in chat. The filter isnt an excuse either, so dont tell me it is.
Putting a person on ignore doesnt solve the issue.
There is no “freedom” issue, there is no “authoritarian” issue, dont be utterly absurd.
There are rules and a code of conduct you AGREED TO when you installed the game. When you clicked “I agree” you accepted that there were things you are not allowed to do.
Thats the same for ANY online game.
There is not one online game anywhere that doesnt have set rules of conduct.
Not one.
You agreed to it. You consented to it. You cannot then turn around and say “yes but I want this exception and that exception”…there is no “yes but”.
There isnt.
It also matters very much if you are trying to sell a good or service in /trade whether right click reports ignore a player trying to sell that same good or service at a lower price or if right click reports silence that player.
The former means that you can ignore that player trying to sell that same good or service at a lower price than you, but everyone else can still see that other player trying to sell that same good or service at a lower price than you.
The latter means that you can have your cronies silence that other player so that no one can see him trying to sell that same good or service at a lower price.
If Blizzard overturns the squelch, your cronies simply say "We felt that it was ‘spam’ ". How does Blizzard prove that they didn’t think it was “spam” and those reports were fraudulent or malicious in order to take action against them?
I hear what you’re saying. And like I was telling what’s his face, when a million people are typing in chat simultaneously LFG, etc, it basically has the same effect as spam. I just scroll up, I don’t let it ruin my day.
Spam I thought was an easy one, that it would time you out.
People who want to be able to squelch often times are full of it. How can you not like some unfriendly drama? I have no numbers to back this up, but it seems fair to say that most people who are watching chat are not participating in chat. But for some reason, they want to insert themselves and report two players going at it, that do not really care what they are saying to each other. If it gets that bad, /ignore.
Mama jokes? People get offended by this? I don’t even know your momma and you don’t know mine. Please…
Trolls and spammers in trade are not a concern of yours? Some people like “him”?
I honestly think we are speaking through a broken google translate at this point.
Carry on without me, as you are not even putting the slightest effort into your case.
if they make a habit of it i imagine
Nevermind Google, you just can’t stand I don’t let things bother me as much as you. I’m not doing the things you can’t stand. I don’t spam, I don’t troll, and I pretty much follow the rules.
What’s the problem?
Even if they collude to silence multiple people trying to sell goods/services at a lower cost than their friend or guild mate, good luck proving that they are doing so maliciously and/or fraudulently and their definition of 'spamming" isn’t just different than Blizzard’s definition.
if they do it a lot, then yah, i would say Blizzard would notice, they even refer to that in the blue post that was referenced in one of these threads.
They do say that “falsely reporting another player with the sole intent of restricting their gameplay is also unacceptable and will result in penalties to your account.”
Blizzard may very well notice a lot of reports from Johnny and his friends. The problem, though, lies in Blizzard having to prove that Johnny and friends are “falsely reporting another player with the sole intent of restricting their gameplay” and not just reporting another player for what they honestly felt was “spamming” or some other infraction.
IMO, there is too much grey in most cases to prove that Johnny and his friends were " “falsely reporting another player with the sole intent of restricting their gameplay” and actually take action against Johnny and his friends.
Hey guys I found a case of a false flagger being punished. I’ve been searching for an hour and it’s not even wow. Lol.
Well it is a blizzard game with the same CoC and the same report system.
Anyways since none of you could be bothered here ya go:
Now I’m done doing all the research on this. Someone else link some facts or your just speculating, assuming, fear mongering, and exaggerating.
thats irl and not the anonimity of the internet where people can do whatever they like without fear of being physically confronted.
nice try though.
Probably a good reason why people don’t conduct themselves in real life like it’s barrens chat too.
Like I said earlier. You don’t here about thin skin “issues” anywhere in public places in the real world. People know where that line is in a public place.
Not so much with the anonymity of the internet.
and the internet should stay that way.
Hey Padre
A little while ago someone (cant find it) said “words on a screen cant hurt anyone”
Theres just been a court case where a person has been sentenced to a minimum of two years jail for “words on a screen”.
In other words, despite the claims of those favoring the auto squelch that anyone abusing the system will be punished, it took you over an hour of searching to find even a single case of someone being punished for 'abusing the reporting system". Even then, the only example you could find was not even WoW, but another Blizzard game.
Sure you can be kicked out, but you’re talking about a game that exists… BFA.
Classic has not even shipped yet and this is why we are discussing and rejecting the proposed “SYSTEM” that people at Activision would like to add to Classic WoW.
There is no rule, rhyme or reason why every single game must contain the same stuff… Again it’s a point that we the customer base are making against this system…
We do not want it… What’s so hard to understand about that?
So far; no one has signed an agreement for Classic WoW what so ever because it does not presently exist in circulation.
You’re entire premise about agreements is pointless because it’s not a present product…
Are Blizzard able to have two seperate reporting lines under the one system? I thought has the new structure behind it?