False reporting and automated ban

[Frawshawk-laughing-skull]

How often have you been squelched that things upsets you this much?

[Luceron-thunderlord]

I cannot recall ever seeing someone called out to be reported in a local public channel without good reason. On the forums however, I see crap like that all the time. HOWEVER getting smacked with a vacation from the forum for false reporting is nowhere near as painful as it would be to get a game suspension due to the same. Which is IMHO a nice deterrent.

You’ve never seen players, in any game, say “Report that player?” This can be in a group, general chat, with friends, etc. Not once? You’ve not once ever seen negative encouragement? I find that difficult to believe.

[Luceron-thunderlord]

Are you asking me this?

[anon44207803]

But you cannot report people for the intention to silence them. That’s in the CoC! And you sir, are breaking Blizz Policy with your FREQUENT False Reports 'cause you admitted your intentions are to SILENCE them making your reports unjustified!

Melliga

I am not breaking a damned thing. Dont be disingenuous.

I report for foul language. Mod sees logs and sees said foul language. Mod then follows up. Logs prove report is justified. If I report a person for swearing and they were swearing, guess what.

Working as intended.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

That still leaves the auto squelch option in place, though. That is what I oppose.

And until proven guilty or innocent, only silenced in that one specific and public channel.

It also does nothing to address how Blizzard proves that “the ones filing the reports were doing so fraudulently”

Blizzard would look through the evidence exactly how they would if had been manually filed reports, but they would have the benefit of the actual reported chat tagged on the report itself. (If the right click does not do at least that much tagging, then that is actually pretty laughably inept on blizzards part)

[Frawshawk-laughing-skull]

Yes, there must be a valid reason you dislike this system so. Id rather see some one get muted for something they did and let the GM sort it out later than have to wait while some one spams trade chat because they are throwing a hissy fit.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

I cannot recall ever seeing someone called out to be reported in a local public channel without good reason. On the forums however, I see crap like that all the time. HOWEVER getting smacked with a vacation from the forum for false reporting is nowhere near as painful as it would be to get a game suspension due to the same. Which is IMHO a nice deterrent.

You’ve never seen players, in any game, say “Report that player?” This can be in a group, general chat, with friends, etc. Not once? You’ve not once ever seen negative encouragement? I find that difficult to believe.

I am not even going to bother pointing out the part you left out of your selective reading. Go back and reflect on what you just responded to in full.

[Xecks-stormrage (Xecks)]

heh . it can and will be abused. people are in constant contact with other people in classic . making it possible for some random joe or jill to be able to trigger an auto squelch is a recipe for disaster and you guys for it are wrong that its good for the game.

gl and good night.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

heh . it can and will be abused. people are in constant contact with other people in classic . making it possible for some random joe or jill to be able to trigger an auto squelch is a recipe for disaster and you guys for it are wrong that its good for the game.

gl and good night.

As I walk down the street I am in perpetual fear that all of those people with hands are capable of making a fist and punching me in the naughty bits. It is a recipe for disaster, I tell you.

[Undedløck-firetree (Undedløck)]

So, quite frankly, your argument has zero merit.

If you dont like what it says, if you dont agree to what it requires you to do, then dont click I AGREE to it or sign it.

It is that simple.

I like how you just assumed I was talking about you.

Wrong, it’s not that simple and your appeals to private right are bad and one dimensional. Two things:

1. Private contract and private property has never excused practices considered undesirable for the public if it became widespread because every private actor practiced it. Modern politics has always attempted to balance public and private power.

See: lootbox controversy.

2. At its root this appeal to freedom is flawed because we do not have a free market. We have a system where the government practices pro-business policies, which is distinct from a free market. One of those policies is copyright, which arbitrarily sustains WoW’s market and entails that there cannot be a competitor that offers an alternative ToS. Its consensual nature is therefore limited.

[Fesz-cenarius]

That still leaves the auto squelch option in place, though. That is what I oppose.

And until proven guilty or innocent, only silenced in that one specific and public channel.

The key word, though, is still “silenced”. The problem is that silence is still player driven, not done by Blizzard.

It also does nothing to address how Blizzard proves that “the ones filing the reports were doing so fraudulently”

Blizzard would look through the evidence exactly how they would if had been manually filed reports, but they would have the benefit of the actual reported chat tagged on the report itself. (If the right click does not do at least that much tagging, then that is actually pretty laughably inept on blizzards part)

We don’t know if those reports have the “actual reported chat tagged on the report itself”. You might say the system is laughable if it does not, but do you always report immediately, or do you sometimes finish what you are doing and then report? I generally finish what I m doing before reporting. By the time I right click on that player’s name, they may have said 5 other things in chat.

in addition, the reports are likely time stamped and a GM can always review the chat logs for that approximate time.

Regardless if whether or not the tickets actually have any chat linked to them, that still does not address how to prove that those reports were made fraudulently and it was not just a case of the reporters having a different set of subjective beliefs as to what is acceptable and what is not acceptable.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

The key word, though, is still “ silenced ”. The problem is that silence is still player driven, not done by Blizzard.

What you specifically seem to have issue with is that it would be immediate upon reaching report number threshold. All reports are player driven. The best way to train a human or animal to not do something is IMMEDIATE feedback.

I am perfectly fine with training those who enjoy behaving badly with an immediate and temporary unpleasantness. That said I am perfectly happy if blizzard would hand out the harshest penalty possible to fraudulent reporters. (I am not yet so doubtful of their intelligence that they would be able to determine such)

We don’t know if those reports have the “actual reported chat tagged on the report itself”.

I would like to give blizzard enough credit that a right click, which targets a specific chat spot, would record that chat spot. I could very well be wrong and would chuckle if their software didn’t do such.

that still does not address how to prove that those reports were made fraudulently

Do you have the same level of skepticism as applied to manually filed reports? You are making a case to not have humans attempting to determine these things.

[anon44207803]

1. Private contract and private property has never excused practices considered undesirable for the public if it became widespread because every private actor practiced it. Modern politics has always attempted to balance public and private power.

Seriously…this is getting absurd.

[Luceron-thunderlord]

The system is aimed at doing good, no doubt about it. So is player trading, so is sharding. Doesn’t mean I agree with it, and not because YOU think that somehow “I’m worried about my actions.”

If you bother reading my posts, I’m a strong advocate of /ignore until due process takes place. I’m not sure what is bad about taking this position. If someone is breaking a rule, let Blizzard burn them. I’ve already said there wouldn’t be an argument from me.

The only thing you really know about me is that I don’t agree with everything you agree with.

The bottom line is this, and you can interpret this any way you want: I don’t melt because somebody behind the keyboard is an idiot. It’s a game, and I don’t let infractions ruin my good time. I ignore the few who try to spoil it for the many.

I let things roll, especially if not directed at me. You want to report them? Go ahead. If you’re feelings are hurt, go ahead. If you want to police chat, go ahead. I came to play, not be a vigilante.

I’m not worried the slightest about being squelched or squelching others. Doesn’t mean I like what they are doing, but I came to play, and /ignore removes them from the equation for me, and that’s enough for me. I just know what upsets me may not upset everyone else.

If anyone wants to nitpick about what is acceptable and what is not, I’m sure we will probably agree on a lot of things. I just know what upsets me, may not upset you. And guess what, I’d rather not be the one to spoil your day. Let Blizzard do it.

Tools like these speak volumes in relations to CS unable to keep up.

PS: Blizzard loves me because I have a thick skin and don’t go crying. I save them money.

[anon44207803]

Doesn’t mean I agree with it

You are here and you are playing which means you did agree to it.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

If you bother reading my posts, I’m a strong advocate of /ignore until due process takes place. I’m not sure what is bad about taking this position.

If you are a person trying to sell a good or service in /trade, then it matters very much if you ignore a spammer/troll or if that spammer/troll is silenced. The former would still result in people not seeing you trying to buy or sell, while the latter would immediately cut down (if enough people report the spammer/troll) the white noise in the channel.

[Luceron-thunderlord]

A good trader knows better than risk himself getting silenced or ignored over something as stupid as spamming. Move along.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

A good trader knows better than risk himself getting silenced or ignored over something as stupid as spamming. Move along.

Dude, are you intentionally trying to misrepresent what I write?

I am talking about if you are a trader trying to conduct business in /trade, and there is a player (NOT YOU) spamming or trolling, causing the chat to push your “ads” off the window before people have a chance to see it. Ignoring that spammer troll does NOTHING to help others see your legitimate ad.

Same same if you are in your city’s general channel and you are attempting to find a group. Having 10 people discussing/arguing/trolling via politics, racism or religion, makes it monumentally more difficult to communicate with those looking for a group or looking for people to fill a group.

[Luceron-thunderlord]

I don’t run into this problem.

Oh, and more times than not, it’s not spam. It’s a million people typing at once. What, does this not happen in BFA where nobody talk to each other anymore?

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

I don’t run into this problem.

Well you live in a magical fairy land where all is good.

Oh, and more times than not, it’s not spam. It’s a million people typing at once.

And not being able to cut blatant spammers and trolls out of that equation is not a good thing? Would having the idiots chatting about trump in the trade channel booted from the trade channel really diminish the game?

What, does this not happen in BFA where nobody talk to each other anymore?

Dunno, ask someone who plays BFA.

THREAD POST 1000. I WIN.