OK, I have energy for yet another large post. Sorry <3
Also, having these links at the top and bottom, of this post, for easy access ('cause people aren’t citing things):
Agreement
CoC
Mind you, we still have evidence of the abuse via Retail (or even the forums). It’s called being precognitive.
In regards to the CS Forums, unless a Forum Mod moves it there ('cause they move Classic specified threads from GD over here), I say this thread is fine where it’s at. You can use Report Fingers to report it for “being in the wrong place”, if you wish, but that’s not going to silence (ironically) the thread itself. So unless you have something else besides “go post cs”, you really have no other business posting in this thread.
You’re just being spammy ('cause you’re repeating the same thing over and over again), at this point which is way more reportable than one single thread, “in the wrong spot”.
If you’ve been paying any attention to my posts, besides the points you don’t like, you’ll know I’m against Blacklisting, too.
However, those being Blacklisted aren’t being neglected their right to speech. THAT’S the difference.
Also, we all (to some degree, anyway), “blacklist”, in our own way. Particularly the Ignore list. Doesn’t it not “Blacklist”? Regardless, I’m still against PUBLIC Blacklists. Personal ones, who cares?
Not everyone is an “expert”, in WoW. I still meet new people, every day. And not everyone may know that Skull is the “main target”. This is why we communicate.
Yes, people still love their “big numbers”, although I’m not one of them.
Again, how can one access a stranger’s Guild, Party and/or Raid without accessing the General, Local and/or Trade Chat Channels? Does being Silenced (this includes Squelch) have access to Whispers? If not, therein lies the problem. Players are being hindered to even join in groups (this includes guilds and raids) because a handful of people silenced (squelched) them, DUH!
Again, I’m trying to tell my story, but people like you are too busy covering your ears and demanding I (and others) post on the CS Forums, about it. I’m, at the very least, in the RIGHT thread, instead of elsewhere (spamming about it), talking about an issue, that’s important, to me, and how it may (or may not) affect Classic. All I care about, is preserving Classic which is why I’m mainly here, in the Clasdic Forums.
Well, the answers I got, prove that. I asked to be SURE, and it’s just as I expected, but you’re too busy picking on me, to take notice. Which is fine. Your spamming helps keeps this thread active so keep posting.
Or you’re trying to derail it 'cause you have no prauble cause to take down this thread, otherwise
Anything is possible, really.
What do you mean by “freshly made avatars”? I have an idea on what you mean, but only you can clarify what you mean
I’d love to explain my story (I said part of it, I’m just afraid to repeat one word because people don’t care about context but controlled speech) instead of fighting about where I should be posting it, and how I should be posting it
Again, IK this (in regards to people may or may not be getting punished). What I am saying, they’re not being AUTO-punished like those getting Squelched. There’s deductive reasoning as to why I came to this conclusion.
As I said earlier, I have HUNCHES (keyword), on who my Reporters MIGHT be (again, don’t know, just deductive reasonings), yet they’re still posting around
It can go either way. You said it yourself. I could be wrong or right. Either one is a possibility.
Alright, I guess we need clarification 'cause one person (not just me) expressed that it’s 24 Hours, while you say it’s an hour, but you don’t sound confident in that, either. So I don’t understand why you’re even trying to “refute” a point, you don’t know about. Unless you’re really THAT interested in fighting with me
Again, are abusers being AUTO-punished? If not, than neither should the ones being Squelched Guilty OR Innocent.
Take out the AUTO, and we’re good. Keeps things fair and just.
Again, even if Abusers are being “punished”, it’s NOT automated. What makes you think that they are being AUTOmatically punished? Curious how you came to that conclusion
That’s your Authoritarian side speaking. There’s nothing in the Agreement that states “only talk of ‘Trade’ is allowed in ‘Trade Chat’.” You’re hiding behind the word “Spam” to try to justify silencing those who you feel aren’t utilizing the Chat Channels, “appropriately”, at least to YOUR standards, give me a break
“Spam” is to send the same message, repeatedly. Well, those actually utilizing “Trade Chat” for Trade Goods still fall under that category because they have to repeat their messages
I guess that’s why we have an option to leave it 'cause it can get annoying, right? However, they’re utilizing the Channel to reach a broader audience, aren’t they?
And that Auto-Spam filter is a deterrent, to slow down the messages, including the “Trade Goods” messages. Again, if you leave that Chat Channel, you’re not bothered by “spam” messages. I’d see your point, if somebody was whispering you with their nonsense, but they aren’t. You’re just trying play Authoritarian.
Evidence: Your “suggestion” to have this thread in CS instead of Classic 'cause you believe it to be a CS issue instead of taking into account the POSSIBLE (keyword) issues, it can have in Classic.
Just like GBanks, Loot Trading, Sharding, etc. Why is this any different? Report and move on, if you’re that bothered.
Those Channels can be used, by anyone, unless Blizz has a rule stating which Channel can have what speech, you have no argument other than “but muh feelings!”
Again, EXPLAIN how I’m lying? You like to cut out small pieces of my speech and eliminate my explanations to fit into your narrative. I already explained why I think it’s bad. When I say “bad”, I don’t mean there’s an INFLUX issue, I mean I don’t agree with an AUTOmated system (which you still have yet to explain WHY it’s a good thing). I’m not saying y’all should lose your ability to Report
I’m not in GD, just in Classic and responding to a thread, that brought up the issue. If anything, there doesn’t need to be 20 of these Threads regarding the same issue. Hence why I’m only responding to the ONE, THIS one, since it’s older and has more responses, DUH!
And you’re trying to preach about NOT spamming, yet here you are telling me to SPAM. Ridiculous!
I can still tell my side of the story despite your intimidation tactics and help give a voice to other innocent players afraid to share their stories. You don’t control me nor ever will. Do your reporting and move on.
Otherwise, we can talk about the stories and find a solution.
I linked the Agreement, earlier, as well, talking to Aehl about Blizz can only terminate your account, if it VIOLATES the Agreement. Aehl was trying to say Blizz can terminate our accounts, at any time, but that’s not true.
I’ll link it, again 'cause the agreement still plays a factor and coincides with the CoC: https://www.blizzard.com/en-us/legal/2c72a35c-bf1b-4ae6-99ec-80624e1b429c/blizzard-end-user-license-agreement
I’ll link the CoC, as well, since you didn’t do it (probably because you’re a fan of leaving out things, that hurts your cause): https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/42673
Anyhoot, we also agree to NOT disrupt/harass especially through “FALSE Reports” (in the means to INTENTIONALLY silence them!), don’t forget to read that part. AND the part about Blizz’s decision. You can report things, but that doesn’t mean you should be reporting to intend to silence them, and that decision is still in Blizz’s court.
You still CANNOT harass people with Reports, and it’s part of the Agreement!
Even though I already knew people were reporting on their own biases and interpretations, yet I got told I should read the policy, when I clearly did.
People seem to forget that you cannot harass others either, which I find numerous reports to be a form of harassment
Oh, and this thread IS for Reporting. Making the situation known, right? Lemme guess “CS Forums!” We’ve established that, but anything else?
Thus lies my issue. Acceptable behavior IS a gray area 'cause people want to silence me for something I have ZERO idea on what needed to be silenced, in the first place. I said this from the VERY beginning
Hence why I believe people are FALSELY reporting because their intention isn’t to protect Blizz Policy. The intention is to SILENCE making it a FALSE report.
And this is in your precious CoC, that you so cleverly brought up. Perhaps you should give it another read.
Just because it can be overturned doesn’t make it right because it’s clear as day that those reporting are doing so with the intention to SILENCE someone which is AGAINST the CoC, itself!
I NEVER said that it affects groups. I said it hinders one’s account! DIFFERENCE!
And if others are talking about that, you should seek your answers, from them. NOT me because those words NEVER came from my posts. I cannot tell you why they’re saying those things, so please don’t include me on THAT part of the conversation, I have ZERO involvement with.
And IDK what “Alt Brigading is”. I came here, to respond to a thread, that shares my same issues. I did NOT create the thread. I only responded to it. I’ll continue to respond it, even if it gets moved over to CS. I do NOT want to spam, the forums (in general, as a whole) with duplicate Threads talking about the same thing. Especially since this one is still highly active and one of the originals (or THE original, IDK which one is first).
Calm down, relax.
Exactly because it can go EITHER way! Nobody really knows. I have guesses, AGAIN, I would NEVER advocate others to join me.
Didn’t you just provide a highlight on “Behavior”, in regards to the CoC about how it’s up to the player’s to report on what they deem “improper” behavior? They have no real evidence either, except their feelings. So, it’s OK for them to report but not me?
You’re a hypocrite. Twisting things around to follow a certain narrative. Just stop lying and tell the truth. I’ve been honest this whole time. I even said, I don’t report often. Not as much as, Aehl, anyway. Who apparently reports FREQUENTLY. Curious how much “proof”, he has to justify his reports
Again, you didn’t read EVERYTHING I said. You only cherry picked, what irritated you and left out my context.
Let me be VERY clear. I understand Blizz DOES punish people. But there are more subtle affairs, like this one, where some people, not in cahoots with each other, abusing the report feature intending to control speech (SILENCE), and there’s a few of you, here. This falls under 2 categories: False Reporting AND harassment which are both against the policy, that y’all agreed to.
I’m open minded enough to know it goes BOTH ways.
I hope you are 'cause you’re spamming nonsense.
It has, humorously. We can stop spamming it, now.
But you cannot report people for the intention to silence them. That’s in the CoC! And you sir, are breaking Blizz Policy with your FREQUENT False Reports 'cause you admitted your intentions are to SILENCE them making your reports unjustified!
Although, I already knew that
No, you haven’t been patient. You cower away and only talk to me, when you think you found a “loophole” (like your false reports).
I’m not kicking nor screaming like a child about the Policies. I’m proving my point.
Also, look how much the game has changed, that everyone has “agreed”, to.
With PvP Servers now being obsolete, thanks to all the wonderful thread “suggestions”, for lack of better words.
There’s nothing wrong with suggesting. No matter how much you scream “Policy” (which you admit to breaking, yourself).
I think I rest my case
Also, having these links at the top and bottom, of this post, for easy access ('cause people aren’t citing things):
Agreement
CoC