False reporting and automated ban

[Knocrogue-crushridge (Knocrogue)]

It’s irrelevant because the report will be reviewed and you will be silenced for the whole duration regardless(or the silence will be removed early). The duration difference does not matter. The important differences between the two that would matter would be the restrictions. Like, which chat channels you can talk in and such. Which, as far as I can tell, are the same.

Also, I still question about the doubling being automated. I am not trying to dissect Blizzard’s posts with that thinking or anything. I am merely looking at this from a logistics point of view. Think about it. They’d have to have the GMs check previous tickets and add the appropriate time. That would make the GMs review last longer. Why do that when you could have the system do everything for you and have the GM merely intervene and determine whether or not the system should continue it’s course or be undone. One simple system or having two separate systems with different rule sets. I mean, it is entirely possible there are two. This second part is just me trying to explain where my thinking is in regards to how the systems work. Again, I wasn’t trying to read hard into Blizzard posts when I was making those statements.

[Carespanker-skullcrusher]

Sorry if you find me replying to copy threads of this annoying but, I do find scrolling through 3.2k angry comments stressful even with my g 502 hero with an infinity scroll wheel. I do however wish this thread to be pinned to the top because its basically thats always were it is anyway and I wish more people would “attempt” to give this thread a read. At least the good parts…

Anyway this should sum my response to this topic, if you want a more detailed explanation go to the other complaints thread and scroll through 200 angry comments. Im not going to defend myself or my claims or comment in this thread because its just going to get buried or right click reported away anyway.

@Carespanker-skullcrusher

I still can’t believe this topic is still up for debate on the forums, I also still can’t believe that people can still defend the right to (in a metaphorical sense) stone people to death in the street that say things they disagree with. No you shouldn’t have ban powers; nor should you have admin, flyhax, or GM. Its just common sense at this point that giving PLAYERS the ability to vote ban people in the game is not a good idea for a social-based MMORPG.

Its the same reason I don’t give people the power to kick or ban people out of my guild or discord, because it not going to work in an active community. People will argue, communicate, fight each other, coordinate as a team, or start rivalries of their own because that’s what communities are, and thats what classic is, a community dependent game , and that’s what those communities will do because they are Humans, not robots, therefore they should be moderated by Humans and not robots.

I don’t know how much more clearly I can spell this out to you but I’ll say it again…

Classic/Vanilla is a social game and it NEEDS to be a completely social experience for it to be a success.

Please let WoW be the social game that it is, you don’t need to stone everyone you don’t agree with, and we dont need AI to solve human problems.

[Malfosa-whisperwind]

@Knocrogue-crushridge

Where did you get this information regarding this “squelch”?

Blues, Greens, and playing the game since the system was implemented about a decade ago.

@Primalmatter-stormrage

Right but no one cares as they both have the same practical draw backs… you keep trying to argue definitions when no one really cares about them.

No. The Silence means that at least a single person saw you break the rules and reported you for it. A Squelch means a large number of people felt you broke the rules and reported you to the point the system squelches you to keep you from doing any more damage before a GM can intervene.

@Knocrogue-crushridge

Also, I still question about the doubling being automated.

Well, question no longer because you can read it in bright blue text courtesy of Vrakthis.

And no, they don’t have to go through every ticket. They can see a list of every action taken against your account. They can see what you said in guild chat at least 6 months ago too if they want. We saw that demonstrated during The Burning Crusade to hysterical results.

But Vrakthis already covered most of the objections already…

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

@Fesz-cenarius

@Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord

One being doubled each time is not a difference to be concerned about? A lot of us care about definitions, they are kind of important.

Except when those “definitions” do not mesh with what you want, right?

Like Blizzard’s statements that using /trade for chat not related to trade is NOT a violation?

Behold, the extreme game lawyer. You are the very type of player that blizzard was speaking about when they wrote this.

By all means, continue to go over the definition of “may” if you like.

They may report it as such and therefore the penalties associated with spam may be applied to the person reported.

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

Like, which chat channels you can talk in and such. Which, as far as I can tell, are the same.

each chat channel is designed for the purpose of the title of the channel. So Trade Chat taking place in the Trade channel is the suggested use of that channel. If you are discussing other subjects in the channel, other players on your realm can consider those unwanted messages as spam. They may report it as such and therefore the penalties associated with spam may be applied to the person reported.

Feel free to play ignorant if you like. You may be reported, which may lead to an auto squelch.
This “I’m not touching you” garbage is absurd.

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

my g 502

Holy crap, we found something in common!
Hug it out, bro! Weighted or unweighted?

PS: once again, there is no vote ban.

[Fesz-cenarius]

@Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord

@Fesz-cenarius

@Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord

One being doubled each time is not a difference to be concerned about? A lot of us care about definitions, they are kind of important.

Except when those “definitions” do not mesh with what you want, right?

Like Blizzard’s statements that using /trade for chat not related to trade is NOT a violation?

Behold, the extreme game lawyer. You are the very type of player that blizzard was speaking about when they wrote this.

By all means, continue to go over the definition of “may” if you like.

They may report it as such and therefore the penalties associated with spam may be applied to the person reported.

May can mean multiple things, but since you asked:

MAY

Dictionary result for may

/mā/

verb

modal verb: may

expressing possibility.

“that may be true”

expressing permission.

“may I ask a few questions?”

Do you notice the word “possibility” not “certainty” in the first definition?

“Expressing permission” would seem to me to indicate that Blizzard permits players to report people using /trade for chat not related to trade.

Nowhere does it indicate that such reports will be upheld. Nowhere does it say that Johnny continually filing reports that are overturned will not result in negative consequences for Johnny.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Like, which chat channels you can talk in and such. Which, as far as I can tell, are the same.

each chat channel is designed for the purpose of the title of the channel. So Trade Chat taking place in the Trade channel is the suggested use of that channel. If you are discussing other subjects in the channel, other players on your realm can consider those unwanted messages as spam. They may report it as such and therefore the penalties associated with spam may be applied to the person reported.

Feel free to play ignorant if you like. You may be reported, which may lead to an auto squelch.
This “I’m not touching you” garbage is absurd.

Obviously, someone is confusing “expressing possibility” with “expressing certainty”.

Using /trade for things not related to chat is not, in and of itself, anywhere close to any kind of “I’m not touching you” garbage, IMO.

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

@Malfosa-whisperwind

But Vrakthis already covered most of the objections already…

We’re glad to see that folks are taking an interest in reporting behavior that they believe violates the Code of Conduct and these posts hopefully encourage others to report the behavior when they see it.

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

@Fesz-cenarius

“Expressing permission” would seem to me to indicate that Blizzard permits players to report people using /trade for chat not related to trade.

Nowhere does it indicate that such reports will be upheld . Nowhere does it say that Johnny continually filing reports that are overturned will not result in negative consequences for Johnny.

In the context of the entire thread that quote resides in, https://us.battle.net/forums/en/wow/topic/20762116812?page=1
It very much looks to be the second definition of “may”, and in fact a GM was the one that told the OP the very reason we are talking about as cause for his being actioned.

Perhaps rather than focusing on individual words and attempting to warp and lawyer them, you can learn to read things in context.

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

Nowhere does it indicate that such reports will be upheld . Nowhere does it say that Johnny continually filing reports that are overturned will not result in negative consequences for Johnny.

Except the OP from that thread was actioned for such and was allegedly told by GMs that it was justified.

[Knocrogue-crushridge (Knocrogue)]

@Malfosa-whisperwind

Blues, Greens, and playing the game since the system was implemented about a decade ago.

I wasn’t saying that the system didn’t exist before. I was saying the “squelch” and “silence” are essentially one in the same.

@Malfosa-whisperwind

Well, question no longer because you can read it in bright blue text courtesy of Vrakthis.

And no, they don’t have to go through every ticket. They can see a list of every action taken against your account. They can see what you said in guild chat at least 6 months ago too if they want. We saw that demonstrated during The Burning Crusade to hysterical results.

But Vrakthis already covered most of the objections already…

I’m not really sure the first link says anything really. He was replying to someone that was suggesting the system was completely automated and there was no GM involvement. The blue was merely saying that his comment didn’t mean that.
And I understand they have a history of your account infractions. But, I just meant the details of such. If they wanted to speed up ticket time, it would make sense for the system to take care of most of it.

@Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord

Feel free to play ignorant if you like. You may be reported, which may lead to an auto squelch.
This “I’m not touching you” garbage is absurd.

Okay, what? I need you to explain why you said this. That comment from me was in regards to the differences between the play imposed silence and the GM silence. It had nothing to do with trade chat. Why would you bring that up?

[Malfosa-whisperwind]

I wasn’t saying that the system didn’t exist before. I was saying the “squelch” and “silence” are essentially one in the same.

Not the way Blizzard sees it.

I’m not really sure the first link says anything really.

Vrakthis specifically uses the word “squelch” to refer to what that guy claimed happened, being mass reported, and what actually happened… he got reported by a single person and the GM who got the ticket instituted a Silence for a CoC violation.

[Knocrogue-crushridge (Knocrogue)]

Vrakthis specifically uses the word “squelch” to refer to what that guy claimed happened

I think you’re reading too much into it. The two words can be used interchangeably.

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

I think you’re reading too much into it. The two words can be used interchangeably.

[Malfosa-whisperwind]

I think you’re reading too much into it. The two words can be used interchangeably.

To the reader, yes. But you forget that Vrakthis is an employee of Blizzard.

[Knocrogue-crushridge (Knocrogue)]

indeed.

To the reader, yes. But you forget that Vrakthis is an employee of Blizzard .

Alright. I was unaware Blizzard employees always chooses their words very carefully.

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

Alright. I was unaware Blizzard employees always chooses their words very carefully.

Apparently even their 3-letter words are put under a microscope by internet lawyers.

[Knocrogue-crushridge (Knocrogue)]

Yah. People really need to lighten up on Blizzard’s own messages on the forums. Especially the ones that don’t explicitly say something and can be left to interpretation.

[Wuzeh-wyrmrest-accord]

Blizzard’s automated system is a joke in every one of their games. It’s based on accumulated reports, not the substance of those reports.

If they can’t find a way to automate the process of scanning if a report is legitimate or just an abuse of the system, then the process has no place in any Blizzard game.