False reporting and automated ban

[Fesz-cenarius]

You still have to be able to prove that his guild actually paid gold or provided carries for that abuse of power.

If the “arrangement” was made in discord, for example, Blizzard would have no conclusive evidence that any abuse actually occurred.

Prove that Bobby’s guild carried Billy for submitting a report against Johnny.

Prove that Bobby’s guild paid gold to Billy to report Johnny.

Don’t need that, when there’s a confession.

What confession?

Have you never heard of people saying things like “I’ll beat the tar out of Johnny for dinging my car.” and Johnny ends up being beaten. Even if the police believe that the person who made that statement was the person who beat Johnny, they still have to prove it. That statement is NOT conclusive proof.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Except that even in the pre right click report system players are involved

ZOMG I just learned the forum had emoticons.

Not necessarily

They reported, but Blizz handled the punishment, not the Auto that comes with the X Reports, by the Players.

I’ve been using the Emotes, this whole time!

Do you think they just generally monitored chat channels or that they responded to reports?

If the former blizzard’s performance responding to issues was even worse…

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Well in that regard you can either believe blizzard or not when they say they action people who maliciously report. But then if you don’t think blizzards actions malicious people how can you claim they actually action people who troll chat?

I only have myself, as an example, and no, I wasn’t Trolling but according to you, you see it, differently -_-

What confession?

Have you never heard of people saying things like “I’ll beat the tar out of Johnny for dinging my car.” and Johnny ends up being beaten. Even if the police believe that the person who made that statement was the person who beat Johnny, they still have to prove it. That statement is NOT conclusive proof.

All you need is a confession, even if it’s weak.

Do you think they just generally monitored chat channels or that they responded to reports?

If the former blizzard’s performance responding to issues was even worse…

Responded to Reports

And it sounds like you’re more frustrated with the response time than anything else.

[Fesz-cenarius]

I’ve appealed a lot of mine

Successfully? And if so how many of those were you certain would have the squelch revoked?

Here’s a question for you.

Would you find it acceptable if the player imposed punishment were retained, but if a squelch was overturned, EVERY player that contributed to that squelch by submitting a report against the squelched player was punished with either an account wide silence that doubles in duration for every report that is overturned or an account suspension (possibly doubling in duration with each overturned report) ?

Players who act like trolls should be actioned whether that is in their actions in chat or in the report system. Either way players who act in bad faith should be held accountable.

Since everything is highly subjective even when blizzard gets involved well…\

You just seem to want a system where players aren’t held accountable for trolling in chat.

Actually I simply want a system in which players are held accountable for submitting reports that lead to players being squelched if there was no actual violation and the squelch is overturned.

You want players to be held accountable for their actions and so do I.

Well in that regard you can either believe blizzard or not when they say they action people who maliciously report. But then if you don’t think blizzards actions malicious people how can you claim they actually action people who troll chat?

You can either believe blizzard or not when they say they action people who troll chat. But then, if you don’t think blizzards actions people who troll chat, how can you claim they actually action malicious people?

Why not hold both types of players accountable for their actions.

If Johnny and his friends believe that Billy is violating the rules, they can report him, causing Billy to be squelched.

If the squelch is upheld, Billy is punished for his violation.

If the squelch is overturned, though, Johnny and his friends are punished for submitting a report when there was no actual violation.

Players are held accountable in both situations.

[Fesz-cenarius]

All you need is a confession, even if it’s weak.

con·fes·sion

Dictionary result for confession

/kənˈfeSHən/

noun

noun: confession ; plural noun: confessions ; noun: confession of faith ; plural noun: confessions of faith

a formal statement admitting that one is guilty of a crime.

“he signed a confession to the murders”

synonyms: admission, owning up, acceptance of blame/responsibility, acknowledgment, profession, revelation, disclosure, divulgence, exposure, avowal, unbosoming

“the interrogators soon got a confession out of him”

How can anyone “confess” to something they have not yet even done?

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

Don’t need that, when there’s a confession

Confession of criminal activity is only as good as the proof unfortunately.

I assure you they’re very very sneaky, and getting pinched is not standard operating procedure.

I’m only here doing my job to illustrate what will happen if this system is included.

My guild is not the only hive of cutthroat villonry in WoW, so it’s factual impossible to pin any of it on me.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

How can anyone “confess” to something they have not yet even done?

You don’t know if it has or hasn’t, but I don’t want to want to go off-topic, again.

Confession of criminal activity is only as good as the proof unfortunately.

I assure you they’re very very sneaky, and getting pinched is not standard operating procedure.

I’m only here doing my job to illustrate what will happen if this system is included.

My guild is not the only hive of cutthroat villonry in WoW, so it’s factual impossible to pin any of it on me.

IK, but I don’t want to entertain this side conversation, that has nothing to do with your initial Post.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Why not hold both types of players accountable for their actions.

When have I ever said people who abuse reporting shouldn’t be actioned for doing so?

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

IK, but I don’t want to entertain this side conversation, that has nothing to do with your initial Post

I see your point, and I just don’t want to leave any stone unturned because the hard truth is the greatest weapon.

Players like Ziryus cannot stand against the truth because they’re contrary to the truth.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Players like Ziryus cannot stand against the truth because they’re contrary to the truth.

Well I don’t think the earth is flat.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Why not hold both types of players accountable for their actions.

When have I ever said people who abuse reporting shouldn’t be actioned for doing so?

Then you should have no problem with my proposal that if a squelch is overturned, EVERY player that contributed to that squelch by submitting a report against the squelched player was punished with either an account wide silence that doubles in duration for every report that is overturned or an account suspension (possibly doubling in duration with each overturned report) ?

After all, if a squelch is overturned there was no violation to report, right? Ergo, the report was falsely submitted, right?

Are you saying that someone who falsely submits a report when no violation occurred should not be held accountable and punished for their actions?

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

I see your point, and I just don’t want to leave any stone unturned because the hard truth is the greatest weapon.

Players like Ziryus cannot stand against the truth because they’re contrary to the truth.

You know, I want to be on your side, but I cannot, if we’re going to keep name dropping, like this

EDIT:

Well I don’t think the earth is flat.

I only hearted it 'cause I laughed, like out loud, for real!

EDIT 2: Probably the only thing that Ziryus and I agree on, but I don’t want to get into that topic.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Why not hold both types of players accountable for their actions.

When have I ever said people who abuse reporting shouldn’t be actioned for doing so?

Then you should have no problem with my proposal that if a squelch is overturned, EVERY player that contributed to that squelch by submitting a report against the squelched player was punished with either an account wide silence that doubles in duration for every report that is overturned or an account suspension (possibly doubling in duration with each overturned report) ?

After all, if a squelch is overturned there was no violation to report, right? Ergo, the report was falsely submitted, right?

Are you saying that someone who falsely submits a report when no violation occurred should not be held accountable and punished for their actions?

Didn’t i just say people who intentionally submit false reports should be actioned?

[Fesz-cenarius]

Why not hold both types of players accountable for their actions.

When have I ever said people who abuse reporting shouldn’t be actioned for doing so?

Then you should have no problem with my proposal that if a squelch is overturned, EVERY player that contributed to that squelch by submitting a report against the squelched player was punished with either an account wide silence that doubles in duration for every report that is overturned or an account suspension (possibly doubling in duration with each overturned report) ?

After all, if a squelch is overturned there was no violation to report, right? Ergo, the report was falsely submitted, right?

Are you saying that someone who falsely submits a report when no violation occurred should not be held accountable and punished for their actions?

Didn’t i just say people who intentionally submit false reports should be actioned?

Does that mean that you agree that if a squelch is overturned, EVERY player that contributed to that squelch by submitting a report against the squelched player was punished with either an account wide silence that doubles in duration for every report that is overturned or an account suspension (possibly doubling in duration with each overturned report) ?

After all, if a squelch is overturned there was no violation to report, right? Ergo, the report was falsely submitted, right?

Or are you saying that those reports were “accidentally” submitted and not intentionally submitted?

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

Fair enough, I just find certain wilful ignorance of facts to lead me to thinking that a certain poster is likely trolling rather than actually participating in the discussion in any kind of meaningful way.

Actually there are a few of them, I often wonder how many are actually bots given the circular arguments and lack of logical fact patterns.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Fair enough, I just find certain wilful ignorance of facts to lead me to thinking that a certain poster is likely trolling rather than actually participating in the discussion in any kind of meaningful way.

Actually there are a few of them, I often wonder how many are actually bots given the circular arguments and lack of logical fact patterns.

That’s a fair assessment

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Why not hold both types of players accountable for their actions.

When have I ever said people who abuse reporting shouldn’t be actioned for doing so?

Then you should have no problem with my proposal that if a squelch is overturned, EVERY player that contributed to that squelch by submitting a report against the squelched player was punished with either an account wide silence that doubles in duration for every report that is overturned or an account suspension (possibly doubling in duration with each overturned report) ?

After all, if a squelch is overturned there was no violation to report, right? Ergo, the report was falsely submitted, right?

Are you saying that someone who falsely submits a report when no violation occurred should not be held accountable and punished for their actions?

Didn’t i just say people who intentionally submit false reports should be actioned?

Does that mean that you agree that if a squelch is overturned, EVERY player that contributed to that squelch by submitting a report against the squelched player was punished with either an account wide silence that doubles in duration for every report that is overturned or an account suspension (possibly doubling in duration with each overturned report) ?

Reports that are submitted in good faith are reports submitted in good faith. Reports submitted just to squelch someone someone should be treated the same as people who intentionally try to troll chat channels.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Fair enough, I just find certain wilful ignorance of facts to lead me to thinking that a certain poster is likely trolling rather than actually participating in the discussion in any kind of meaningful way.

Actually there are a few of them, I often wonder how many are actually bots given the circular arguments and lack of logical fact patterns.

Kind of like how you willfully ignore that squelch is not being blatantly abused?

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Kind of like how you willfully ignore that squelch is not being blatantly abused?

All IK is that it can be.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Why not hold both types of players accountable for their actions.

When have I ever said people who abuse reporting shouldn’t be actioned for doing so?

Then you should have no problem with my proposal that if a squelch is overturned, EVERY player that contributed to that squelch by submitting a report against the squelched player was punished with either an account wide silence that doubles in duration for every report that is overturned or an account suspension (possibly doubling in duration with each overturned report) ?

After all, if a squelch is overturned there was no violation to report, right? Ergo, the report was falsely submitted, right?

Are you saying that someone who falsely submits a report when no violation occurred should not be held accountable and punished for their actions?

Didn’t i just say people who intentionally submit false reports should be actioned?

Does that mean that you agree that if a squelch is overturned, EVERY player that contributed to that squelch by submitting a report against the squelched player was punished with either an account wide silence that doubles in duration for every report that is overturned or an account suspension (possibly doubling in duration with each overturned report) ?

Reports that are submitted in good faith are reports submitted in good faith. Reports submitted just to squelch someone someone should be treated the same as people who intentionally try to troll chat channels.

And now we’re right back to how does Blizzard prove that the reports were actually submitted “just to squelch someone” and not submitted in good faith.

Which leads us right back to the system being easily abused with almost no threat of punishment or being held accountable for that abuse due to the difficulty of proving that those reports were not submitted in good faith.

It sounds to me like you just want a system which players can abuse to squelch any other player at any time for whatever slight they think they had to suffer with little or no threat of repercussions for that abuse.