False reporting and automated ban

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

You understand that as soon as there’s enough reports on a player it automatically triggers that a GM has to look into it, and that abusing the report is ban-able, right? Yeah, it’s easy to coordinate, but you will not have access to the game much longer.

Proving abuse is not as easy as you apparently think it is. It’s not just a case of “this really isn’t spam, so we’ll over turn that squelch and silence everyone that reported him”.

Even Blizzard admits that “spam” is subjective (in the eye of the beholder).

It doesn’t have to be investigated that deeply. Did he offend, yes or no? No? Then those accounts that banned him are flagged.

Are you saying that you honestly believe that every time Blizzard overturns a squelch they punish every account that reported the squelched player?

Are you saying that you honestly believe that in Classic if a squelch is overturned that every person that reported the squelched player should be punished?

I cannot think of a much more effective deterrent to reporting other players than being punished by Blizzard if you ever submit a report that is overturned or determined to not be a violation.

"I think Johnny is ‘spamming’, but there is no way I am reporting him. I’m not risking my account being silenced or suspended if Blizzard thinks he isn’t ‘spamming’. I’ll let someone else report him and risk their account. "

Why does WoW currently completely prove you wrong?

How exactly does “WoW currently prove me wrong”?

Squelch is not being massively abused.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Successfully? And if so how many of those were you certain would have the squelch revoked?

I was only unable to appeal 2 of my Silences but again, the number of abuse is irrelevant because the fact that it’s being abused is enough for me to advocate for change.

EDIT:

Squelch is not being massively abused.

Again, irrelevant.

EDIT 2: The fact that I even have to appeal them, in the first place, is more than enough to advocate for change.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Successfully? And if so how many of those were you certain would have the squelch revoked?

I was only unable to appeal 2 of my Silences but again, the number of abuse is irrelevant because the fact that it’s being abused is enough for me to advocate for change.

EDIT:

Squelch is not being massively abused.

Again, irrelevant.

So then let’s ask this were you squelched for something you said in chat or were you squelched because as some people claim there are groups of people just running around squelching people out in the open world?

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

So then let’s ask this were you squelched for something you said in chat or were you squelched because as some people claim there are groups of people just running around squelching people out in the open world?

We’ve already gone over this. It was language that was said (even though I didn’t actually say it). Padre even said I was a victim of context because context matters. I don’t even use that word, in my everyday vocabulary, and I’m not going to repeat, again.

EDIT: Which WAS appealed, BTW. It’s not one of the ones I couldn’t appeal.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

So then let’s ask this were you squelched for something you said in chat or were you squelched because as some people claim there are groups of people just running around squelching people out in the open world?

We’ve already gone over this. It was language that was said (even though I didn’t actually say it). Padre even said I was a victim of context because context matters. I don’t even use that word, in my everyday vocabulary, and I’m not going to repeat, again.

But did you know you were toeing a line when you said whatever it was you said?

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

If you are saying it’s as few as 5 or 10 please provide a statement from blizzard confirming that

All I can say is that most of the people silenced who complain about it definitely had their silence coming

My guild will be paying gold and carries on trade for abuses of power.

You think they can catch us? I strongly doubt it.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

But did you know you were toeing a line when you said whatever it was you said?

Toeing what line? It was used as an example, for how I felt that the Classic WoW community was dividing our community by awful names like “Purists” and “Tourists”.

EDIT:

My guild will be paying gold and carries on trade for abuses of power.

You think they can catch us? I strongly doubt it.

Not if we have this statement as a ScreenShot/evidence…

[Fesz-cenarius]

I’ve appealed a lot of mine

Successfully? And if so how many of those were you certain would have the squelch revoked?

Here’s a question for you.

Would you find it acceptable if the player imposed punishment were retained, but if a squelch was overturned, EVERY player that contributed to that squelch by submitting a report against the squelched player was punished with either an account wide silence that doubles in duration for every report that is overturned or an account suspension (possibly doubling in duration with each overturned report) ?

[Fesz-cenarius]

So then let’s ask this were you squelched for something you said in chat or were you squelched because as some people claim there are groups of people just running around squelching people out in the open world?

We’ve already gone over this. It was language that was said (even though I didn’t actually say it). Padre even said I was a victim of context because context matters. I don’t even use that word, in my everyday vocabulary, and I’m not going to repeat, again.

But did you know you were toeing a line when you said whatever it was you said?

I will neither condone nor condemn that action taken by that poster.

I would like to point out, though, that “toeing a line” does not necessarily equate to “crossing that line”.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

I will neither condone nor condemn that action taken by that poster.

Since apparently I have to EXPLAIN why I Heart things -_-

The reason why I Hearted this post was because of the line in the Quote.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

I’ve appealed a lot of mine

Successfully? And if so how many of those were you certain would have the squelch revoked?

Here’s a question for you.

Would you find it acceptable if the player imposed punishment were retained, but if a squelch was overturned, EVERY player that contributed to that squelch by submitting a report against the squelched player was punished with either an account wide silence that doubles in duration for every report that is overturned or an account suspension (possibly doubling in duration with each overturned report) ?

Players who act like trolls should be actioned whether that is in their actions in chat or in the report system. Either way players who act in bad faith should be held accountable.

Since everything is highly subjective even when blizzard gets involved well…\

You just seem to want a system where players aren’t held accountable for trolling in chat.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Players who act like trolls should be actioned whether that is in their actions in chat or in the report system. Either way players who act in bad faith should be held accountable.

Since everything is highly subjective even when blizzard gets involved well…

You just seem to want a system where players aren’t held accountable for trolling in chat.

And that shouldn’t be up for you to decided but Blizz. Again, no. Players just shouldn’t be involved in what happens to other people’s accounts.

[Fesz-cenarius]

My guild will be paying gold and carries on trade for abuses of power.

You think they can catch us? I strongly doubt it.

Not if we have this statement as a ScreenShot/evidence…

You still have to be able to prove that his guild actually paid gold or provided carries for that abuse of power.

If the “arrangement” was made in discord, for example, Blizzard would have no conclusive evidence that any abuse actually occurred.

Prove that Bobby’s guild carried Billy for submitting a report against Johnny.

Prove that Bobby’s guild paid gold to Billy to report Johnny.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

You still have to be able to prove that his guild actually paid gold or provided carries for that abuse of power.

If the “arrangement” was made in discord, for example, Blizzard would have no conclusive evidence that any abuse actually occurred.

Prove that Bobby’s guild carried Billy for submitting a report against Johnny.

Prove that Bobby’s guild paid gold to Billy to report Johnny.

Don’t need that, when there’s a confession.

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

Not if we have this statement as a ScreenShot/evidence…

It’s evidence yes, but this is not my primary account for a good reason.

I will not be using my old account for classic WoW because it’s associated with modern.

I know that most of my guild is coming back for classic and will be using new accounts because it’s just better that way.

I am trying to point out to people like Ziryus that giving players like my guild the power to do evil is a very unwise decision.

It’s clear that he ignores the fact that plans to abuse this system is already in place because it’s something they already have practice with.

The system is designed poorly and will be severely abused due to his effective a tool it is.

[Fesz-cenarius]

I’ve appealed a lot of mine

Successfully? And if so how many of those were you certain would have the squelch revoked?

Here’s a question for you.

Would you find it acceptable if the player imposed punishment were retained, but if a squelch was overturned, EVERY player that contributed to that squelch by submitting a report against the squelched player was punished with either an account wide silence that doubles in duration for every report that is overturned or an account suspension (possibly doubling in duration with each overturned report) ?

Players who act like trolls should be actioned whether that is in their actions in chat or in the report system. Either way players who act in bad faith should be held accountable.

Since everything is highly subjective even when blizzard gets involved well…\

You just seem to want a system where players aren’t held accountable for trolling in chat.

Actually I simply want a system in which players are held accountable for submitting reports that lead to players being squelched if there was no actual violation and the squelch is overturned.

You want players to be held accountable for their actions and so do I.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

It’s evidence yes, but this is not my primary account for a good reason.

I will not be using my old account for classic WoW because it’s associated with modern.

I know that most of my guild is coming back for classic and will be using new accounts because it’s just better that way.

I am trying to point out to people like Ziryus that giving players like my guild the power to do evil is a very unwise decision.

It’s clear that he ignores the fact that plans to abuse this system is already in place because it’s something they already have practice with.

The system is designed poorly and will be severely abused due to his effective a tool it is.

They can link your name, to all of your accounts, and I understand what you’re saying.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Players who act like trolls should be actioned whether that is in their actions in chat or in the report system. Either way players who act in bad faith should be held accountable.

Since everything is highly subjective even when blizzard gets involved well…

You just seem to want a system where players aren’t held accountable for trolling in chat.

And that shouldn’t be up for you to decided but Blizz. Again, no. Players just shouldn’t be involved in what happens to other people’s accounts.

Except that even in the pre right click report system players are involved

ZOMG I just learned the forum had emoticons.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

I’ve appealed a lot of mine

Successfully? And if so how many of those were you certain would have the squelch revoked?

Here’s a question for you.

Would you find it acceptable if the player imposed punishment were retained, but if a squelch was overturned, EVERY player that contributed to that squelch by submitting a report against the squelched player was punished with either an account wide silence that doubles in duration for every report that is overturned or an account suspension (possibly doubling in duration with each overturned report) ?

Players who act like trolls should be actioned whether that is in their actions in chat or in the report system. Either way players who act in bad faith should be held accountable.

Since everything is highly subjective even when blizzard gets involved well…\

You just seem to want a system where players aren’t held accountable for trolling in chat.

Actually I simply want a system in which players are held accountable for submitting reports that lead to players being squelched if there was no actual violation and the squelch is overturned.

You want players to be held accountable for their actions and so do I.

Well in that regard you can either believe blizzard or not when they say they action people who maliciously report. But then if you don’t think blizzards actions malicious people how can you claim they actually action people who troll chat?

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Except that even in the pre right click report system players are involved

ZOMG I just learned the forum had emoticons.

Not necessarily

They reported, but Blizz handled the punishment, not the Auto that comes with the X Reports, by the Players.

I’ve been using the Emotes, this whole time!