False reporting and automated ban

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Kind of like how you willfully ignore that squelch is not being blatantly abused?

All IK is that it can be.

Sure but a ton of things can be, do we remove them all just because they can be abused?

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

It sounds to me like you just want a system that allows Gold Sellers to run rampant in all the public chats. I assume this is because you have ties with them and you have a financial stake in their egregious activities.

Accusations are sure fun.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

It sounds to me like you just want a system which players can abuse to squelch any other player at any time for whatever slight they think they had to suffer with little or no threat of repercussions for that abuse.

Or you just want a system where you can troll chat with no consequences

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Sure but a ton of things can be, do we remove them all just because they can be abused?

Only the ones that mess with other people’s accounts such as Silences, Suspensions/Bans.

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

It sounds to me like you just want a system that allows Gold Sellers to run rampant in all the public chats. I assume this is because you have ties with them and you have a financial stake in their egregious activities

I genuinely doubt anyone would want that excluding the gold sellers.

How do we deal with it?

I’d rather let the GM’s deal with it.

[Fesz-cenarius]

It sounds to me like you just want a system that allows Gold Sellers to run rampant in all the public chats. I assume this is because you have ties with them and you have a financial stake in their egregious activities.

Accusations are sure fun.

Do you mean like the accusations put forth by some of those that want the option to conspire to squelch any other player at any time for every little slight hey think they had top suffer that those opposed to a player imposed punishment obviously just want to troll chat all day with no repercussions?

Case in point, right here:

Or you just want a system where you can troll chat with no consequences

[Knocrogue-crushridge (Knocrogue)]

Reports that are submitted in good faith are reports submitted in good faith.

I’ve been thinking about this a lot and come to the conclusion, even if the report was made in good faith, the player who made the report should still receive a warning. Further reports said player makes afterwards that get overturned, regardless of if they were in good faith or not, should then be treated as false reports. As such, the player should be subject to the repercussions of false reports.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Reports that are submitted in good faith are reports submitted in good faith.

I’ve been thinking about this a lot and come to the conclusion, even if the report was made in good faith, the player who made the report should still receive a warning. Further reports said player makes afterwards that get overturned, regardless of if they were in good faith or not, should then be treated as false reports. As such, the player should be subject to the repercussions of false reports.

A player getting notified about the ultimate result of their report would be awesome.

And yep after a false squelch actually results in action that a GM overturns the people reporting should be looked at.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

A player getting notified about the ultimate result of their report would be awesome.

Why would this be awesome? This wouldn’t be awesome. This would be a joy for those who abuse the system to be a pain in someone else’s neck.
No. Any action taken should be kept between blizz and the offender. This just makes you look like you’re that guy that gets pleasure from “being on the right side of the sysyem” with their self righteous idea of “justice”. This is why those who have been abused have a legit point. There’s two extremes in this. Those who take pleasure in reporting and those who do in fact need to be reported because of extreme behavior.

You saying that is just as bad as any of the actual edgelords hiding behind the innocent players.

You knowing the results of your reporting would do nothing but encourage you to keep reporting. Attitude like that makes me think there should be a daily or weekly cap on reports you can make. To stymie the abuse by players trying to get a dopamine rush from using the system to grief others. They are no better than Johnnyedglelord’s “jokes”. In my opinion they are worse. We know what Johnny is. Players playing hall monitor under the guise of “righteousness cause rules” is worse than Johnny. All you’re doing is undermining the system put in place because of Johnny.

In case it wasn’t clear to anyone: I do not condone the abuse of the report system. I also do not condone trolling on the Johnnyedglelord end of the trolling spectrum but trolling from Ned Flanders to the middle ground called reality I’m cool with.

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

I’ve appealed a lot of mine

Which begs the question, how many times have you been squelched? “A lot of mine” sounds a lot like a repeat offender. Getting quite a clear picture of your motivation.

[Malfosa-whisperwind]

@Fesz-cenarius

That is the point. You do not know what the threshold target report number to trigger a player imposed penalty is, let alone that it is a “high number”.

And we NEVER will be told this information as I have already stated multiple times. If you need it to come from Blizzard’s mouth, then here is what Vrakthis said about it over a year ago. They are deliberately vague about it in order to keep people from being able to figure out how to game the system.

@Fesz-cenarius

I’m not aware of Blizzard even saying “high number”. I know that they said something to the effect of “enough reports”, but what is “enough reports”? Is it 5 reports? Is it 10 reports? Is it 100 reports?

Why do you keep asking for a number you know they will never tell you? The only time I have ever seen them give a number was Orylia telling a player that there were 62 instances of accounts reporting them for spam.

@Fesz-cenarius

Otherwise, IMO, you are just trying to pull “facts” out of your posterior in an effort to prop up your desire to have the option to conspire to squelch any other player at any time for every little slight you think you had to suffer.

Nope. , as I said before about posts like these complaining about the Silence system or the Spam Squelching system: It. never. ends. well. for. them. period.

@Mellga-area-52

The Silence, itself needs to be reviewed by the GMs. It shouldn’t be up to the players 'cause we can see in this thread that there are those that go beyond the Gold Spammers.

It IS reviewed by GMs. A Silence CANNOT be put into place automatically. They have said this over and over. If you want to see it in blue text, click the first link I referenced above.

Anything that requires action taken against a player’s account has to have an actual, living, breathing, Blizzard-employed human being initiate it.

All players do is report. Each report generates a ticket for a GM, and probably globs them all together as others report the person as well. If enough unique reports are received, the system deems it to be a severe enough of a problem to warrant squelching them until I GM can investigate the matter.

This is what happened that one time to Asmon-whoever when he asked folks to report him on stream. The threshold was met and he got squelched but his account did not receive a Silence.

And while the system was designed with the gold spammers in mind, its application goes beyond that as well as its usefulness. Especially in light of the fact that WoW Tokens have annihilated the gold farmers.

It works against the guy who is spamming “Selling {{oreName}}!!! 5k/stack!!!” every 30 seconds or the guy with poor impulse control and a lot of emotional immaturity who is resorting to racist/homophobic language in public chat channels.

The server communities have, for the most part, decided they don’t want such things in the game they’re paying to enjoy. If you or anyone else does not like this, feel free to patronize another company.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

I’ve appealed a lot of mine

Which begs the question, how many times have you been squelched? “A lot of mine” sounds a lot like a repeat offender. Getting quite a clear picture of your motivation.

Shocking that someone who gets multiple squelches and still can’t figure out when to shut up wouldn’t like the auto squelch system.

[Malfosa-whisperwind]

Shocking that someone who gets multiple squelches and still can’t figure out when to shut up wouldn’t like the auto squelch system.

And how many of them get turned into Silences from a GM? And how long will his next one be?

And the funny thing is, from the forums alone, I do not foresee the populations on the Classic servers putting up with garbage being spewed anymore than the live servers. They’ll probably have even less tolerance for it.

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

It IS reviewed by GMs. A Silence CANNOT be put into place automatically. They have said this over and over. If you want to see it in blue text, click the first link I referenced above.

Silence by a GM and “Squelch” by players is an identical punishment.

They both DC your character and both eliminate your abilities in public chat where group forming takes place so that when you log back in your rights are modified.

For all effective use they’re identical. One is automatically applied by a vote threshold via the game system, and the other is manually applied by a GM.

The only real effective difference is what we call it because in reality it’s the same thing.

The problem is the Vote to Squelch system, not GM established punishment.

[Knocrogue-crushridge (Knocrogue)]

Why would this be awesome? This wouldn’t be awesome. This would be a joy for those who abuse the system to be a pain in someone else’s neck.

I don’t think there’s really a way around this. If you report someone and you don’t get punished, it’s almost certain that other player was. If you do, it’s clear you made a false report. The only way they could avoid that would be not to punish people who falsely report. Which, would be utter madness as it would cause abuse to skyrocket if people figured that out.

[Fesz-cenarius]

@Malfosa-whisperwind

@Fesz-cenarius

That is the point. You do not know what the threshold target report number to trigger a player imposed penalty is, let alone that it is a “high number”.

And we NEVER will be told this information as I have already stated multiple times. If you need it to come from Blizzard’s mouth, then here is what Vrakthis said about it over a year ago. They are deliberately vague about it in order to keep people from being able to figure out how to game the system.

We know Blizzard is intentionally vague.

IMO, though, we have people in this thread deliberately trying to use Blizzard’s vagueness to pull the wool over people eyes and make people think that it actually requires a substantial number of reports to trigger a squelch, by choosing words like “many reports” and “multiple players” when the truth may be completely different.

@Malfosa-whisperwind

@Fesz-cenarius

I’m not aware of Blizzard even saying “high number”. I know that they said something to the effect of “enough reports”, but what is “enough reports”? Is it 5 reports? Is it 10 reports? Is it 100 reports?

Why do you keep asking for a number you know they will never tell you? The only time I have ever seen them give a number was Orylia telling a player that there were 62 instances of accounts reporting them for spam.

You continue to ignore the point.

In this thread alone, we’ve seen several different claims as to how many people it takes to squelch a player. We’ve seen claims ranging from “multiple people” (which could be as little as 2 people) all the way up to “many people”.

The claims of “multiple people” and “many people” are, IMO, being made to give the appearance that the number required is larger than it actually is.

We’ve seen claims that the number is 10 or less, possibly even as low as 5. I’m not even going to begin to state for certain that the number is 10 or less. I will say that if only 10 (or less) reports are required to squelch another player, that
number is far too low, IMO.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

We know Blizzard is intentionally vague.

IMO, though, we have people in this thread deliberately trying to use Blizzard’s vagueness to pull the wool over people eyes and make people think that it actually requires a substantial number of reports to trigger a squelch, by choosing words like “many reports” and “multiple players” when the truth may be completely different.

Sure and we also have people trying to fear monger and act like people will get squelched if a single person hovers their mouse over their name.

[Missuspowpow-proudmoore (Missuspowpow)]

It sounds to me like you just want a system which players can abuse to squelch any other player at any time for whatever slight they think they had to suffer with little or no threat of repercussions for that abuse.

You’ve said this at least a dozen times at this point, but I don’t see how you could deduce that from what’s being said. People who support this system are just as easily squelched as anyone else. Why would we want an environment where anyone could abuse squelch at any time, even if we plan to do so, when it could be used on us? Anyone who squelches their enchant competition’s advertisement could potentially have that happen to them as well. What good would it do them? Why would anyone actually be motivated to do that? Or it’s possible that you’re relying on loaded language to make up for the non-point you’re making. I lean towards that explanation.

[Missuspowpow-proudmoore (Missuspowpow)]

@Malfosa-whisperwind

That is the point. You do not know what the threshold target report number to trigger a player imposed penalty is, let alone that it is a “high number”.

And we NEVER will be told this information as I have already stated multiple times. If you need it to come from Blizzard’s mouth, then here is what Vrakthis said about it over a year ago. They are deliberately vague about it in order to keep people from being able to figure out how to game the system.

I’m not aware of Blizzard even saying “high number”. I know that they said something to the effect of “enough reports”, but what is “enough reports”? Is it 5 reports? Is it 10 reports? Is it 100 reports?

Why do you keep asking for a number you know they will never tell you? The only time I have ever seen them give a number was Orylia telling a player that there were 62 instances of accounts reporting them for spam.

Otherwise, IMO, you are just trying to pull “facts” out of your posterior in an effort to prop up your desire to have the option to conspire to squelch any other player at any time for every little slight you think you had to suffer.

Nope. , as I said before about posts like these complaining about the Silence system or the Spam Squelching system: It . never . ends . well . for . them . period .

The Silence, itself needs to be reviewed by the GMs. It shouldn’t be up to the players 'cause we can see in this thread that there are those that go beyond the Gold Spammers.

It IS reviewed by GMs. A Silence CANNOT be put into place automatically. They have said this over and over. If you want to see it in blue text, click the first link I referenced above.

Anything that requires action taken against a player’s account has to have an actual, living, breathing, Blizzard-employed human being initiate it.

All players do is report. Each report generates a ticket for a GM, and probably globs them all together as others report the person as well. If enough unique reports are received, the system deems it to be a severe enough of a problem to warrant squelching them until I GM can investigate the matter.

This is what happened that one time to Asmon-whoever when he asked folks to report him on stream. The threshold was met and he got squelched but his account did not receive a Silence.

And while the system was designed with the gold spammers in mind, its application goes beyond that as well as its usefulness. Especially in light of the fact that WoW Tokens have annihilated the gold farmers.

It works against the guy who is spamming “Selling {{oreName}}!!! 5k/stack!!!” every 30 seconds or the guy with poor impulse control and a lot of emotional immaturity who is resorting to racist/homophobic language in public chat channels.

The server communities have, for the most part, decided they don’t want such things in the game they’re paying to enjoy. If you or anyone else does not like this, feel free to patronize another company.

Thread ending post right here. Great job! And those blue responses were classic. Same mentality as us talking to these fools, having to be the adult in the room and explain in excruciating detail how racism, sexism, political trolling, and threats are not allowed or appreciated. Same childish reactions of, “I didn’t even do anything! this is a mistake! I’m being trolled by others!” and then, boom. Turns out you were saying racist things and being an annoyance to the server in general.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Which begs the question, how many times have you been squelched? “A lot of mine” sounds a lot like a repeat offender. Getting quite a clear picture of your motivation.

You’re insinuating that I’m a repeat offender, and I’m not. It’s called being targeted over little things such as language, talking about Politics in Trade Chat, defending myself, etc. People take issues with that.

I’ve been playing this game for 10 years, I’m not going to be perfect for all 10 years. “A lot”, as in the majority of being Silenced. 'Cause you know, people like Ziryus and Gnocci (examples, not an invitation to talk to me) like Padre said, are targeting people with any little thing, in order to report.

It’s not an offense, when it didn’t actually happen. Just nitpicky people that are on reporting sprees.

What a great way to twist things and trying to rile me up. It’s not gonna work. That’s all I have to say to that.

It IS reviewed by GMs. A Silence CANNOT be put into place automatically. They have said this over and over. If you want to see it in blue text, click the first link I referenced above.

Anything that requires action taken against a player’s account has to have an actual, living, breathing, Blizzard-employed human being initiate it.

All players do is report. Each report generates a ticket for a GM, and probably globs them all together as others report the person as well. If enough unique reports are received, the system deems it to be a severe enough of a problem to warrant squelching them until I GM can investigate the matter.

This is what happened that one time to Asmon-whoever when he asked folks to report him on stream. The threshold was met and he got squelched but his account did not receive a Silence.

And while the system was designed with the gold spammers in mind, its application goes beyond that as well as its usefulness. Especially in light of the fact that WoW Tokens have annihilated the gold farmers.

It works against the guy who is spamming “Selling {{oreName}}!!! 5k/stack!!!” every 30 seconds or the guy with poor impulse control and a lot of emotional immaturity who is resorting to racist/homophobic language in public chat channels.

The server communities have, for the most part, decided they don’t want such things in the game they’re paying to enjoy. If you or anyone else does not like this, feel free to patronize another company.

I read through all of your links, none of them state that it’s not automated. They just said “working as intended”, and that they review appeals before sending out the E-Mails of rejection to the Appeals.

Shocking that someone who gets multiple squelches and still can’t figure out when to shut up wouldn’t like the auto squelch system.

That’s it, then? You don’t like the fact that I don’t “stay quiet”, huh? I don’t believe “staying quiet” is in the CoC, anywhere

IK, I can be annoying to some, but that doesn’t give you the right to Silence me, I’m sorry.

And how many of them get turned into Silences from a GM? And how long will his next one be?

And the funny thing is, from the forums alone, I do not foresee the populations on the Classic servers putting up with garbage being spewed anymore than the live servers. They’ll probably have even less tolerance for it.

No Silences are given by a GM, just the Playerbase that don’t know how to utilize Ignore, and I’m a she, even Gnocci (again, using as an example, not an invitation to talk to me) knows this.

I don’t think there’s really a way around this. If you report someone and you don’t get punished, it’s almost certain that other player was. If you do, it’s clear you made a false report. The only way they could avoid that would be not to punish people who falsely report. Which, would be utter madness as it would cause abuse to skyrocket if people figured that out.

I believe some already have which is my entire point.

Sure and we also have people trying to fear monger and act like people will get squelched if a single person hovers their mouse over their name.

You do, though, and more of you keep popping up.

You’ve said this at least a dozen times at this point, but I don’t see how you could deduce that from what’s being said. People who support this system are just as easily squelched as anyone else. Why would we want an environment where anyone could abuse squelch at any time, even if we plan to do so, when it could be used on us? Anyone who squelches their enchant competition’s advertisement could potentially have that happen to them as well

Simple answer as to why people would do that has been said, multiple times, by Ziryus: to get them Silenced/punished. Don’t forget about the Appeal system.

Thread ending post right here. Great job! And those blue responses were classic. Same mentality as us talking to these fools, having to be the adult in the room and explain in excruciating detail how racism, sexism, political trolling, and threats are not allowed or appreciated. Same childish reactions of, “I didn’t even do anything! this is a mistake! I’m being trolled by others!” and then, boom. Turns out you were saying racist things and being an annoyance to the server in general.

Turns out a lot of mine were not. It’s ironic. The one time I said anything remotely on the “Racist” side was appealed but not the one where I was accused of “harassment”, when I didn’t swear, threaten nor use any Racist vocabulary.

Very interesting