False reporting and automated ban

[Xecks-stormrage (Xecks)]

gn all. i am going to bed.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

Oh okay, you think authoritarianism is only an issue where you believe it will be an issue with no evidence.

Gotcha, rofl.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

gn all. i am going to bed.

Whatever you do Xecks, don’t take the bait

EDIT:

Oh okay, you think authoritarianism is only an issue where you believe it will be an issue with no evidence.

Gotcha, rofl.

You’re very quick on your judgments, there 'cause that wasn’t said

[Xecks-stormrage (Xecks)]

Oh okay, you think authoritarianism is only an issue where you believe it will be an issue with no evidence.

Gotcha, rofl.

you know i was going to bed.

ahh well. authoritarianism is an issue wherever it pops up its ugly rot filled head.

i am against it wherever and whenever. stop trying with your stupid 1 liners to get a dig at me like i am just some idiot nobody with no principals .

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

I’m calling out an inconsistency in logic. You know, like I’ve done to you many times. Why did you never respond to me calling out your misinformation, when you said you would two days ago?

Oh that’s right, you called for everyone to start over with a clean slate. How utterly convenient.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

Alright, I expect the same posts about authoritarianism to pop up in the general discussion forum tomorrow. You should actively promote your ideology in the places relevant to the game you are currently playing.

I await with great anticipation the responses you receive over there.

[Twiinkedd-terenas (Twiinkedd)]

I don’t even know what is happening and what we are arguing about in this thread anymore.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

you know i was going to bed.

ahh well. authoritarianism is an issue wherever it pops up its ugly rot filled head.

i am against it wherever and whenever. stop trying with your stupid 1 liners to get a dig at me like i am just some idiot nobody with no principals .

Oh, you took the bait…

I’m calling out an inconsistency in logic. You know, like I’ve done to you many times. Why did you never respond to me calling out your misinformation, when you said you would two days ago?

Oh that’s right, you called for everyone to start over with a clean slate. How utterly convenient.

It wasn’t about convenience. It was about remaining positive. Can we do that? I have no issues promoting the truth, and I already acknowledge my guilt. I’d like to move forward, please. Thank you.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

You’re insinuating that I’m a troll. You’ve been passive-aggressive with me multiple times; that’s not being positive either.

Hypocrisy is rampant on these forums.

[Xecks-stormrage (Xecks)]

Alright, I expect the same posts about authoritarianism to pop up in the general discussion forum tomorrow. You should actively promote your ideology in the places relevant to the game you are currently playing.

I await with great anticipation the responses you receive over there.

lol . retail is a lost cause. you know it and i know it.

im trying to nip this one in the bud before it comes out on classic.

nice try though.

[Celessi-turalyon]

with the ease of joining group finder groups for dungeons and lfr and whatnot the penalty is not anywhere near as harsh as it would be in classic.

people abuse it now in bgs and other places out of spite or trying to get a leg up on the competition.

with the systems in place to join groups that are built into the game on retail its less of a punishment.

still doesnt make it right. players shouldnt have punishment powers over other players simply put. it should be a gm only.

Simple answer is: “doesn’t mean we cannot advocate for change”.

'Cause things change all the time, as we so clearly see, in WoW

Didn’t you tell me to stop suggesting a change?

[Xecks-stormrage (Xecks)]

good night. i am done for the night.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Alright, I expect the same posts about authoritarianism to pop up in the general discussion forum tomorrow. You should actively promote your ideology in the places relevant to the game you are currently playing.

I await with great anticipation the responses you receive over there.

Because it’s not about the effects it has in Retail. It’s about the effects it will have in Classic

I don’t even know what is happening and what we are arguing about in this thread anymore.

It’s about the effects the Silence Penalty will have in Classic.

You’re insinuating that I’m a troll. You’ve been passive-aggressive with me multiple times; that’s not being positive either.

Hypocrisy is rampant on these forums.

I’m not. I’m stating you’re very quick on your judgments about others which is true. And I’m not trying to be “passive-aggressive” with you. I’m not understanding why you are acting the way you are and asking you questions. It’s not hypocritical to be asking you questions and/or letting you know what I’m thinking

Didn’t you tell me to stop suggesting a change?

Last I recall, I don’t think so, but if you can point out the Quote, it might jog my memory.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

still doesnt make it right. players shouldnt have punishment powers over other players simply put. it should be a gm only.

So are you proposing blizzard should do a better job themselves enforcing chat rules than they did pre right click reporting?

[Fesz-cenarius]

Not burying my head in the sand, just refusing to give power over one player to another. I was in Classic and I saw many Guild Leaders set themselves up as glorified dons in the virtual world. You think I would ever support a measure that gave them the ability to impact the playtime of someone they despise, just because they have X number of lemmings who’ll report for them?

Sorry but no.

But, again, this isn’t a single player having the power to silence someone. It takes MULTIPLE players over a short amount of time for it to happen. The only way it’s realistically going to happen to you is if you’re actually spamming a chat channel or being disruptive. If you don’t act like an idiot, you have nothing to fear.

As noted previously, TWO PEOPLE are MULTIPLE PEOPLE.

I’m not saying that it only takes two to squelch another player, but we do not know how many people/reports it actually takes.

Is it 5 people/reports? Is it 10 people/reports? Is it 100 people/reports?

Can you say for certain how many people/reports are needed? If you think you can, please provide that Blizzard quote or source.

5 or even 10 people submitting reports is not that hard to coordinate.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Not burying my head in the sand, just refusing to give power over one player to another. I was in Classic and I saw many Guild Leaders set themselves up as glorified dons in the virtual world. You think I would ever support a measure that gave them the ability to impact the playtime of someone they despise, just because they have X number of lemmings who’ll report for them?

Sorry but no.

But, again, this isn’t a single player having the power to silence someone. It takes MULTIPLE players over a short amount of time for it to happen. The only way it’s realistically going to happen to you is if you’re actually spamming a chat channel or being disruptive. If you don’t act like an idiot, you have nothing to fear.

As noted previously, TWO PEOPLE are MULTIPLE PEOPLE.

I’m not saying that it only takes two to squelch another player, but we do not know how many people/reports it actually takes.

Is it 5 people/reports? Is it 10 people/reports? Is it 100 people/reports?

Can you say for certain how many people/reports are needed? If you think you can, please provide that Blizzard quote or source.

5 or even 10 people submitting reports is not that hard to coordinate.

Blizzard is apparently very close to the chest with their cards when comes to the details of how the auto squelch works.

[Celessi-turalyon]

5 or even 10 people submitting reports is not that hard to coordinate.

No, but coordinating it, since a GM WILL look into the reports, will just lead to them being banned instead. Nobody is going to put all that work into leveling just to lose their ability to play so that their random blue sells before yours does.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

still doesnt make it right. players shouldnt have punishment powers over other players simply put. it should be a gm only.

What you just said sounds MORE authoritarian. Well, if you could even relate authoritarianism to a video game.

(you can’t).

[Fesz-cenarius]

Now on the other hand if the falsely accused could appeal and then get the lemmings and their commander banned for abuse of the system, and harassment… THEN I might be more amenable to the idea.

That isn’t the system we have at the present though.

They CAN. And if a guild abused it like that, they’d be punished. You just don’t hear about it because it doesn’t actually happen.

Or maybe Blizzard simply cannot prove that the guild leader Y and his guild abused the system to squelch player X because the reason for submitting the report is subjective.

Guild leader Y tells his guild to report player x for “spam”. Blizzard reviews the ticket and determines that player X was not “spamming”. They overturn the squelch.

Player X cannot ever get back the time and opportunities he lost due to that unwarranted squelch.

Even though Blizzard overturned the squelch, how do they prove that guild leader Y and his guild were submitting reports in order to squelch player X and not submitting those reports in good faith because they believed that player X was 'spamming"?

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

What you just said sounds MORE authoritarian. Well, if you could even relate authoritarianism to a video game.

(you can’t).

I want to know how that was more Authoritarian? Just curious