False reporting and automated ban

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

That isn’t the system we have at the present though.

That is precisely the system we currently have.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Putting them on Ignore isn’t a “non-solution”. They won’t get invited into my Groups, I won’t see their Posts, they won’t communicate with me through BNet Chat, so what’s the difference?

Other people will see their junk however which means I might see it indirectly. The squelch prevents that.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Other people will see their junk however which means I might see it indirectly. The squelch prevents that.

You still have to see it, in order to report it, though

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

I would equate it to someone talking on their phone while in a movie screening. You would not hear the person you ignored, but you will hear everyone responding to them. Ignore the troll and you’ll see every person who took the bait.

[Lacryma-wyrmrest-accord (Lacryma)]

I would like to have a blue confirm this before I change my stance. In general though, when I see the masses of vitriol on these forums, it feels to me like a bad idea for such a system to give any players such a power, unless serious penalties (like account closure) were a thing in the case of system abuse. And in advance since I know that will probably draw fire.

Yes, it absolutely has to be draconian to discourage abuses like that. A 24 hour ban is nothing if it robbed a innocent player of their time for not kissing X player’s hand.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Other people will see their junk however which means I might see it indirectly. The squelch prevents that.

You still have to see it, in order to report it, though

Correct and unlike just ignoring it the squelch might first off have prevented them from doing it in the first place and second serve as notification not to do it again.

Ignore does neither of those things.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Correct and unlike just ignoring it the squelch might first off have prevented them from doing it in the first place and second serve as notification not to do it again.

Ignore does neither of those things.

So why do you keep bringing up the whole “I saw it”, when you have to see it, in order to report it

And an “Ignore” means they’re not going to be doing it, to me, anymore. I don’t utilize my Ignore list lightly. You have to do something pretty foul, in order to get on there. Talking about Politics in Trade Chat doesn’t bother me. I can leave the Chat, at any time

I don’t have to interact with those people who didn’t even notice I was there, in the first place

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

I would like to have a blue confirm this before I change my stance. In general though, when I see the masses of vitriol on these forums, it feels to me like a bad idea for such a system to give any players such a power, unless serious penalties (like account closure) were a thing in the case of system abuse. And in advance since I know that will probably draw fire.

The system being discussed is in and has been in the game you are currently playing for quite some time.

I can leave the Chat, at any time

That should never be considered a Good Option.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Correct and unlike just ignoring it the squelch might first off have prevented them from doing it in the first place and second serve as notification not to do it again.

Ignore does neither of those things.

So why do you keep bringing up the whole “I saw it”, when you have to see it, in order to report it

And an “Ignore” means they’re not going to be doing it, to me, anymore. I don’t utilize my Ignore list lightly. You have to do something pretty foul, in order to get on there. Talking about Politics in Trade Chat doesn’t bother me. I can leave the Chat, at any time

I don’t have to interact with those people who didn’t even notice I was there, in the first place

See point a, a possible negative consequence makes it more likely someone won’t be trolling chat in the first place. And now see point b, just because I don’t see someone’s chat directly doesn’t mean it won’t impact me in some way.

[Lacryma-wyrmrest-accord (Lacryma)]

Again I’ll ask for a Blue confirmation of this actually being the case before I change my mind on such a system. If you have a citation or source, I would love to read it.

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

Again I’ll ask for a Blue confirmation of this actually being the case before I change my mind on such a system. If you have a citation or source, I would love to read it.

Confirmation of “what” being the case? The fact that the system has been in place for years in the game you are currently playing, or that people abusing the system are punished? The latter is patently true and you need no blue to tell you this, and the latter has been cited earlier in this thread.

[Lacryma-wyrmrest-accord (Lacryma)]

So you don’t have a source then?

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

The system being discussed is in and has been in the game you are currently playing for quite some time.

Doesn’t mean we cannot advocate for change.

That should never be considered a Good Option.

Why do I have to be in the Chat 24/7?

See point a, a possible negative consequence makes it more likely someone won’t be trolling chat in the first place. And now see point b, just because I don’t see someone’s chat directly doesn’t mean it won’t impact me in some way.

Sorry, you’re not making any sense. If you want to report somebody for them to be “Silenced” they have to perform the crime. If they don’t perform the crime, how can you “teach” them, if they didn’t commit the crime?

And, I’m sorry, there’s no proactive solution here. It’s always been reactive.

[Prufinnor-wyrmrest-accord]

Why do I have to be in the Chat 24/7?

Where did I state any such thing? Leaving chat for the purpose of getting away from channel abuse is not a good option.

So you don’t have a source then?

So you are basically trolling at this point?

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

But, again, this isn’t a single player having the power to silence someone. It takes MULTIPLE players over a short amount of time for it to happen. The only way it’s realistically going to happen to you is if you’re actually spamming a chat channel or being disruptive. If you don’t act like an idiot, you have nothing to fear.

It’s a much easier system to abuse than you think.

You said it yourself, they’re not hiring a bunch of GM’s…

So how are they going to keep up with all the claims of false reports?

I’d rather play a game with unmoderated chat than a game where players can legally DDOS each other.

Yes getting DC’d as a result of a player imposed “squelch” that’s identical to a “silence” is part of the rights management on the server side of the system.

It’s not something blizzard will have a cute work around to fix it either or they would have done so in one of their modern games where it’s still abused and disruptive.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Where did I state any such thing? Leaving chat for the purpose of getting away from channel abuse is not a good option.

That’s how I took it. And I think being able to leave a Channel is a great thing. I’m not being forced to stay in there to take in the words whether it’s “abuse” or not is irrelevant. I can leave the Channel, at any time.

[Twiinkedd-terenas (Twiinkedd)]

Well, you and your Guild will reap the consequences of your actions.

LOL no. But you go ahead and believe that if it makes you feel better.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

LOL no. But you go ahead and believe that if it makes you feel better.

Ah, so you’re agreeing that it takes evidence/proof to punish Abusers such as Guilds going around Reporting people, in order to Silence them, then?

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

What he doesn’t understand is that guilds like mine will simply pay other players to report those we want booted

[Lacryma-wyrmrest-accord (Lacryma)]

I don’t know how you can equate me asking for a link with Trolling. Rather your starting to sound like the people who rush to judgment and attack anyone with divergent opinions. Standard operation for would be internet tyrants. “You disagree with me! You DARE?! I’ll show you!”

These are also the very people that concern me having such power over other players, and by proxy why I believe that such draconian measures for false reports are not only merited, but absolutely necessary.

Thank you for proving my point on how report happy posters are.