False reporting and automated ban

[anon44207803]

Ziryus: am I the only one who is wondering why it is they want to be exempted from rules that apply to everyone else?

[anon44207803]

I don’t believe, it says anywhere, that we agree to be unjustly squelched

You agreed to whatever Blizzard says the rules are.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

You agreed to whatever Blizzard says the rules are.

Yes, and nowhere does it state, that I must agree to being unjustly squelched.

So, you’re falsely trying to hide this specific imaginary rule behind a vague description. Please be more specific.

[anon44207803]

Yes, and nowhere does it state, that I must agree to being unjustly squelched.

So, you’re falsely trying to hide this specific imaginary rule behind a vague description. Please be more specific.

Sure.

Blizzard Legal

Harassment, “griefing,” abusive behavior or chat, conduct intended to unreasonably undermine or disrupt the Game experiences of others, deliberate inactivity or disconnecting, and/or any other activity which violates Blizzard’s Code of Conduct or In-Game Policies.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Ziryus: am I the only one who is wondering why it is they want to be exempted from rules that apply to everyone else?

I don’t recall anyone asking to be exempt from rules that apply to everyone else in the same game.

What people are asking is that NO punishment (including a squelch) be handed out until the reports are reviewed by a GM.

What people are requesting is that for Classic, the right click report be tied to an auto-ignore and NOT an auto squelch.

[Sabetha-turalyon (Sabetha)]

People did report things all the time that were violations, nothing was done about it.

Obviously the GM reviewed it and said… NAH, it’s perfectly ok, because the GM was not easily offended.

This is why you cant have mob rule Ziryus, because easily offended people cannot ever be in charge of anything.

Or no GM reviewed it because it was so low priority and nothing was done about it.

You could also claim that under the new system GMs wont review cases and will do little more than turn the squelch off after a short time.

If your claim is going to be that the GM team is useless here, then it applies to your “better” system as well.

Which if people don’t want to hear somebody in trade chat they can put them on ignore, then you never have to listen to them again and it doesn’t have the potential for abuse that the automated system does.

[anon44207803]

What people are asking is that NO punishment (including a squelch) be handed out until the reports are reviewed by a GM.

Which is not what is in live and wont be happening.

[Fesz-cenarius]

People did report things all the time that were violations, nothing was done about it.

Obviously the GM reviewed it and said… NAH, it’s perfectly ok, because the GM was not easily offended.

This is why you cant have mob rule Ziryus, because easily offended people cannot ever be in charge of anything.

Or no GM reviewed it because it was so low priority and nothing was done about it.

You could also claim that under the new system GMs wont review cases and will do little more than turn the squelch off after a short time.

If your claim is going to be that the GM team is useless here, then it applies to your “better” system as well.

Which if people don’t want to hear somebody in trade chat they can put them on ignore, then you never have to listen to them again and it doesn’t have the potential for abuse that the automated system does.

IMO, the only reason Ziryus wants the right click report auto squelch is because is is the exact opposite of what those that desire a truer classic want.

[anon44207803]

IMO, the only reason Ziryus wants the right click report auto squelch is because is is the exact opposite of what those that desire a truer classic want.

Really?

I dont see that at all.

[Fesz-cenarius]

What people are asking is that NO punishment (including a squelch) be handed out until the reports are reviewed by a GM.

Which is not what is in live and wont be happening.

You are correct that that is not what is in live.

Whether or not you are correct that it won’t be happening in classic remains to be seen.

Until Blizzard makes their decision and advises us what that decision is, I will be here requesting that Blizzard tie the right click report to an auto-ignore and NOT an auto-squelch.

[Fesz-cenarius]

IMO, the only reason Ziryus wants the right click report auto squelch is because is is the exact opposite of what those that desire a truer classic want.

Really?

I dont see that at all.

Of course you don’t.

You are insistent upon having the option to collude with your friends a guild mates to squelch any other player that one of you does not like for whatever reason, even if that player broke no rules.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Again, what is considered to be “harrassment”, “griefing”, and/or “abusive chat”? These are VAGUE descriptions.

What is considered “unreasonable” undermining and/or Gameplay interferance of others?

As far as deliberate inactivity, anyone who AFKs, should squelched/banned.

And how do we know something is a “deliberate” disconnect?

And what other “violations”, are there? What are the specifics? Where’s the line?

EDIT: And “common sense” isn’t all that common…

EDIT 2: I mean, I have my definitions, but we all have our own interpretation on what all these mean…

Multiple Edits: Spelling.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Ziryus: am I the only one who is wondering why it is they want to be exempted from rules that apply to everyone else?

I don’t recall anyone asking to be exempt from rules that apply to everyone else in the same game.

What people are asking is that NO punishment (including a squelch) be handed out until the reports are reviewed by a GM.

What people are requesting is that for Classic, the right click report be tied to an auto-ignore and NOT an auto squelch.

Auto ignore does not punish the offender.

I would love if blizzard pumped up their GM staff beyond vanilla levels and enforced things on their own, but if the won’t…

[anon44207803]

Send a ticket to Blizzard and ask.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Send a ticket to Blizzard and ask.

Ah, so it’s NOT all that simple then, as you earlier claimed. Do you see the problem, now? Or are you so opposed against me, that you don’t want to bother explaining yourself, to me 'cause I’m, well…me?

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

Accept that system was never a component of Classic WoW at any point in its history.

It’s fine that it’s part of the modern game, but there are players who play the modern game who say they don’t like it.

Thing is, the system being part of modern WoW has zero baring on Classic because they’re entirely different games with different kinds of gamers.

Either way, it’s a moot point regarding the system because it was not ever a component of vanilla at any point.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Auto ignore does not punish the offender.

I would love if blizzard pumped up their GM staff beyond vanilla levels and enforced things on their own, but if the won’t…

But the thing is Auto-Ignore doesn’t auto punish innocent players, either. A report, should be just that, a report. Not a punishment system, from the players.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Accept that system was never a component of Classic WoW at any point in its history.

It’s fine that it’s part of the modern game, but there are players who play the modern game who say they don’t like it.

Thing is, the system being part of modern WoW has zero baring on Classic because they’re entirely different games with different kinds of gamers.

Either way, it’s a moot point regarding the system because it was not ever a component of vanilla at any point.

And your point?

[anon44207803]

Well no I dont need to, as I read it before I clicked “I agree”. understand it perfectly.

Your problem is that you have issues with the terms of use you agreed to. Or am I right in assuming you didnt read it before you agreed to it?

If thats the case then…cant help you.

[anon44207803]

Accept that system was never a component of Classic WoW at any point in its history.

It is now.