This is literal projection, lol. You’re basically little babies throwing a fit and making impotent threats. Nothing you say will change the fact that squelch is going in the game, and you will get squelched for trolling so you’ll have to watch your mouths.
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Or it’s just a claim that you cannot or will not substantiate,
I am not obliged or required to explain anything to you. I could substantiate it easily…in your case I choose not to.
Do not get the wrong idea, but I am at the point that I check every sub level 20 for how long they have been on the forum. Characters like yourself that spontaneously appear on these controversial threads are almost certainly alts that deserve to be ignored in practice even if the forum functionality no longer supports it. This crap is way out of control at this point.
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As I noted earlier, that remains to be seen.
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I can see your point, no offence taken. I’m just a lowly EU player that wants to be on an active forum instead of a dead one. ![:wink:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/wink.png?v=6" ":wink:")
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I find it so very interesting that some one who never truly played Vanilla WoW is going to make such arbitrary and broad stroke conclusions about a game that they never played at level cap.
You simply have no idea what you’re on about. I have tried to explain why Squelch is bad and what can be done to eliminate trolls…
I can’t think of any one other than trolls that want trolling in chat, and there needs to be rules and some way to deal with them but I assure you Squelch is not it.
The ways that it can be abused in Classic WoW are far too numerous and damaging to the game play it self at a core level.
Simply put, the system does not fit, it will not work and the “Squelch” component must not be included or it will indeed ruin the game.
I know you may mean well because you like most people don’t want to have trolls in chat, but Classic is so different from TBC and Wrath that it’s something you will just have to see rather than be told how it is if you do not believe already.
Trust me I wish it was so simple as copy / paste systems but in this situation its not.
Putting this system into classic is in some ways worse than adding something like LFR or LFD with the teleportation component intact… It’s truly a game breaking system because of how it can and will be abused, and just what that abuse will do to the game.
In modern WoW with LFR / LFD you can still play the game even when squelched because auto group forming is a thing, and you can solo nearly every single world mob there is… Because of this Modern WoW’s a single player game with the option to play with other people, even if you join LFR / LFD it’s still a primarily a single player experience.
Classic WoW’s nearly 95% group play and there is no EZ mode group tool to get into a group. You need to be in chat talking to people, you need to be able to communicate at all times.
The devs would be insane to include something in their game that may as well 100% eliminate that players play time for the day, and they clearly don’t have that aspiration in the modern game because if that kind of attitude were persistent in the modern game you would get booted for however long the squelch was for and then additional penalty once a GM investigated Because they do.
So should there be rules to enforce VS trolls? ABSOLUTELY!
How should that be dealt with? Open a ticket with the click to report system.
How do vile evil people get escalated to the top? By means of more reports and the type of report filed with the click to report system.
More reports = higher priority. Type of report can raise or lower the priority level too. It’s not a complex system that’s needed, but one is most definitely needed; just not the squelch component, and its change of rights disconnect that is a system level component of the squelch.
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I played Vanilla WoW, the auto-squelch isn’t comparable to LFR and it’s not going to ruin Classic.
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You’re either not looking at all the unintended consequences or you’re ignoring them.
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I agree. But unfortunately instead of a mature approach like that, players are given the troll tools to squelch players for…an infinite number of reasons.
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Worse than just the squelch but the disruptive behavior of the squelch mechanism. From what Apoc and I presume it’s a situation with the rights meaning they remove / add rights to your player account… Think about how network admins add / subtract rights from files to a user but on some systems it requires the user log out for this change in rights to take place.
This mechanism in other systems explains to a high degree of probability why the system would log a player out when a SQUELCH is enacted on that account.
That forced logout of the player is extremely disruptive and the fact that people know it exists will unavoidably instigate AVTI sanctioned DDOS attacks on players in competition or enemy of a group.
That group does not specifically need to do the reporting either; they can just as easily pay off others to do their dirty work, and as many have said how do you substantiate a false report when all reports are subjective due to very vague rules?
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I’m looking at the possible consequences and saying they’re not going to be as extensive and game breaking as you’re making them out to be. The auto-squelch has been in the game for many years and there hasn’t been widespread abuse.
Modern WoW is extremely competitive, despite what people here think. If it was going to be abused to the degree you think it is, we’d have seen it in the last 10 years it’s been a thing.
Where were the Mythic Jaina auto-squelch DC’s? Where are the auto-squelch DC’s during 3k rated arena matches? Where are all the examples beyond the one example that was shown?
There is no evidence that it will be abused to a game breaking level.
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You’re one to talk. I have proven my point, time and time, again. Whether it’s in the Game, going to be or not, doesn’t mean we can’t advocate for change. You can repeat it, all you want, it’s not going to stop this thread. The more people like you attack the thread, the longer it thrives. If you want it to die, then I suggest you stop responding to it. You’re only adding more fuel to the fire.
It doesn’t matter what people post on. Both you and I are posting on “Alts”, aren’t we? I come and go from the Forums, all the time ![:thinking:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/thinking.png?v=6" ":thinking:")
Of course, I’m sure you mean “pre-20”. The Avatar is just that. I’m still gonna be me.
Only at the top, the rest of the game is almost meaningless.
Its commonly abused in RBG, that right there is enough for me to just say no because the PVP system with pre-mades that know about this system will indeed abuse it.
Additionally the abuse will also take place in zone dominance situations as well as World boss fights and so on; it only takes one clutch DC to wipe a raid so that your guild has its hands on that boss fight.
You don’t hear about them because they were squelched; also the number of players in Arena is not great enough to enact a squelch from one team to the next, but that’s meaningless because there is no instanced arena in Classic WoW.
Why should we allow a system that was never designed for the game we’re looking to play to be added in the first place?
So far most people are fine with the modernized Click to report, the objection we have is the Squelch component of it, and that’s where we’re drawing the line.
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What evidence of this do you have?
The same can be said about vanilla.
I don’t actually need any. The burden of proof that it will not harm the game is on you because this is an addition to the game not an original component.
I raised the case for RBG teams do abuse this because it is in fact a safe legal way to DDOS a player because it garners the same result overall being they’re both DC’d and removed from the game due to the DC.
Guess what else exists in Classic WoW? A very competitive BG environment that some folks take way too seriously but it still exists. Should that be damaged because we allow a system that never existed before? Should we allow that kind of abusive AVTI sanctioned DDOS in Classic WoW?
I say NO, we should never allow that in game, not even the chance of it happening because it was factually impossible to do in the original game, in turn it should not be possible in this version.
To expand on this I know for a fact that because World content is highly valuable in Classic unlike modern WoW; players will expand the use of this to the world because unlike modern WoW it will not be limited to just RBG.
Overall the system will be abused more in Classic than in Modern because the game is very different.
Creating alts for the purpose of appearing as though your POV has more support is flat out lame and should be called out. I suspect that there are only a handful of people pearl clutching about this subject and a number of them creating alts to give the illusion of popular support.
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I understand your sentiment, but I don’t care what people post on. I’ll counter all Alts, thrown at me. I have zero issues, with that. It’s not like I haven’t repeated myself, enough, already ![:unamused:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/unamused.png?v=6" ":unamused:")
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Actually, I have played to 60 on several x1 private servers which is the closest thing to Vanilla, so it’s not really accurate to say that I “simply have no idea” what I’m on about. I have some idea. And while private servers are different in certain ways from the vanilla experience, two things are almost certain to be the same: the playerbase and a terribly understaffed GM team. Guess how it is. Capitol city chat, the Barrens, and /world in particular are dominated by 4chan-style racist, sexist, anti-LGBT political trolling. Whenever anyone voices their problems with it, the response is typically, “lol triggered lib” or something equally asinine and in bad faith. You have made several posts in this thread that lead me to believe you are just this kind of person as well, and are simply doing a poor job coming up with flimsy reasoning to further enable this behavior that ruins the game and should be squelched.
The attitude of “just ignore it” just means that major chats are drowned out by trolls trolling trolls, which is not the purpose of those channels and actively makes the game worse for anyone who isn’t an aforementioned 4chan troll. In fact, people who wouldn’t otherwise troll feel emboldened to do so and it’s passively communicated that ‘it’s just the gaming culture,’ when in reality it’s just a group of losers insulting people who want to have a positive gaming experience. Having troll chat secluded into places players have to actively seek out is best for everyone. It keeps the public chats not ![:poop:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/poop.png?v=6" ":poop:")
ed up, and keeps likeminded trolls together where they can prove how stoic and above it all they are. If Billy gets bored and decides to create drama in public chat channels, and enough people have a problem with it, they’ll put him in a time out so he can think about his effect on the server and hopefully decide to contribute more positively in the future or stick to troll chats.
As for your one potentially valid argument: the total lockdown of all chat functions and the way that can affect innocent players, I acknowledge the harm in that. As a compromise, I think it would be sufficient for the squelch only disable chat in public channels. While they won’t be able to advertise and form their own groups, they can whisper their friend to start a group, talk in gchat, bg chat, and respond to advertisements with tells. And as long as their is no automated disconnect or ban feature without GM authority, there really is very little downside and a very real, very major problem will be solved.
And like I said before, it really looks like this is happening regardless so it’s a bit of a moot point.
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