False reporting and automated ban

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

I gave you a heart because you made me laugh xD

[Fesz-cenarius]

Guess what, their standard is going to allow right click report as they themselves deem effective or makes them happy in the pants.

That remains to be seen. It also remains to be seen whether Blizzard will retain the player imposed punishment if they do elect to implement the right click report system.

[Fesz-cenarius]

We have 14 years of seeing Blizzard’s standards in practice.

We have also seen 14 years of a game in decline, their very “standards” in practice.

Blizzard’s standards pertaining to chat channels did not prevent the player base reaching almost 8 million during vanilla and 12 million during Wrath, though, did they?

What makes you think that how they moderated what is at it’s heart just a built in chat room had anything to do with WoW’s success.

I don’t believe that I ever said I did.

I was responding to the poster that implied (or at least seemed to imply, IMO) that Blizzard’s standard of allowing any chat channel to be used for practically anything as long as the user did not violate the CoC contributed to the decrease in the player base.

I’m not surprised that you tried to twist my post to something other than what it actually was in an attempt to support your desire to have the option to conspire with other player to silence any other player at any time for every little slight you think you had to suffer, though.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

We have 14 years of seeing Blizzard’s standards in practice.

We have also seen 14 years of a game in decline, their very “standards” in practice.

Blizzard’s standards pertaining to chat channels did not prevent the player base reaching almost 8 million during vanilla and 12 million during Wrath, though, did they?

What makes you think that how they moderated what is at it’s heart just a built in chat room had anything to do with WoW’s success.

I don’t believe that I ever said I did.

I was responding to the poster that implied (or at least seemed to imply, IMO) that Blizzard’s standard of allowing any chat channel to be used for practically anything as long as the user did not violate the CoC contributed to the decrease in the player base.

I’m not surprised that you tried to twist my post to something other than what it actually was in an attempt to support your desire to have the option to conspire with other player to silence any other player at any time for every little slight you think you had to suffer, though.

You were the one implying that blizzard’s chat enforcement(or lack of rather) was in any way responsible for WoW’s success.

[Fesz-cenarius]

We have 14 years of seeing Blizzard’s standards in practice.

We have also seen 14 years of a game in decline, their very “standards” in practice.

Blizzard’s standards pertaining to chat channels did not prevent the player base reaching almost 8 million during vanilla and 12 million during Wrath, though, did they?

What makes you think that how they moderated what is at it’s heart just a built in chat room had anything to do with WoW’s success.

I don’t believe that I ever said I did.

I was responding to the poster that implied (or at least seemed to imply, IMO) that Blizzard’s standard of allowing any chat channel to be used for practically anything as long as the user did not violate the CoC contributed to the decrease in the player base.

I’m not surprised that you tried to twist my post to something other than what it actually was in an attempt to support your desire to have the option to conspire with other player to silence any other player at any time for every little slight you think you had to suffer, though.

You were the one implying that blizzard’s chat enforcement(or lack of rather) was in any way responsible for WoW’s success.

Please provide that quote and all other quotes pertaining to that quote, not just a cherry picked sentence or two taken out of context.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

It’s been around for 10 years, I guess they don’t see much of an issue with how it works thus far.

[Fesz-cenarius]

It’s been around for 10 years

The right click report may have been around for 10 years in retail, but has the player imposed punishment has been tied to that right click report system for 10 years?

I guess they don’t see much of an issue with how it works thus far.

They may not see much of an issue with how it works in retail, which is practically a solo game played in a multiplayer environment for most content, especially with the LFD/LFR systems.

Classic is an entirely different environment. It is an environment that is not conducive to player imposed punishment and invites abuse, IMO.

It remains to be seen whether Blizzard acknowledges how right click report system interacts with the different environments in retail and Classic and adjusts the right click report system accordingly.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

It is an environment that is not conducive to player imposed punishmen

Oh but Blacklists are fine.

has the player imposed punishment has been tied to that right click report system for 10 years?

Yes.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Oh but Blacklists are fine.

To me, Blacklists are similar to Ignore. That being said, I don’t agree with a Public “Name and Shame” system. When asked though, I’m gonna be honest about my experience.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

The first time I took an extended break from WoW was when I accidently needed on an item in Scholomance and a player in my group that was in the top guild on the server told me he was putting me on his guild’s Blacklist and that I would never be able to play with a group again.

I quit my guild to save them any drama and stopped playing the game for 5 months. Blacklists are player controlled punishments, meted out without a trial, yet those that are opposed to this squelch system are in full favor of the community creating this horrible Blacklist system to dole out punishment.

The difference is, if you abuse the right click report system, Blizzard will slap you with a penalty.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

Indeed, and on this one change to classic I am willing to accept what they de3cide to implement without qualms. (well, GBs too, but that is another subject)

I was responding to the poster that implied (or at least seemed to imply, IMO) that Blizzard’s standard of allowing any chat channel to be used for practically anything as long as the user did not violate the CoC contributed to the decrease in the player base.

My point was simply wondering where “standards” mattered when it was a decision made by Blizzard. Where do lower case “standards” become upper case “Standards”?

They may not see much of an issue with how it works in retail, which is practically a solo game played in a multiplayer environment for most content, especially with the LFD/LFR systems.

Wouldn’t it matter doubly so in a entity like vanilla/classic, where communication with other people actually matters?

It is an environment that is not conducive to player imposed punishment and invites abuse, IMO.

It is also an environment where filling up specific subject chat channels with idiocy has a hell of a lot more impact. If they could jump in their wayback machine back to 2004 and implement it, perhaps /trade would not be the cesspool joke of a channel it is today.

[Fesz-cenarius]

@Galdor-maelstrom

@Fesz-cenarius

It is an environment that is not conducive to player imposed punishmen

Oh but Blacklists are fine.

I have said that I neither condone nor condemn “blacklists”.

Having said that, I will give you an answer similar to the answer that those who insist upon having the option to conspire to silence any other player at any time for every little slight they think they suffered give those who oppose the player imposed punishment.

"If you don’t act like a jerk and if you behave in a respectful manner, you won’t have to worry about your name ending up on a ‘blacklist’ "

@Galdor-maelstrom

@Fesz-cenarius

has the player imposed punishment has been tied to that right click report system for 10 years?

Yes.

This article would seem to indicate that the player imposed punishment was added with the legion pre-patch. If that is the case, it would hardly have been tied to the right click report for 10 years, would it?

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.940329-Blizzard-Looks-to-Clean-Up-World-of-Warcraft-Chat-with-New-Silence-Penalties

[Fesz-cenarius]

Wouldn’t it matter doubly so in a entity like vanilla/classic, where communication with other people actually matters?

That is exactly why a player imposed punishment system is not compatible with the Classic environment, IMO.

Thank you for making my point.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

Wouldn’t it matter doubly so in a entity like vanilla/classic, where communication with other people actually matters?

That is exactly why a player imposed punishment system is not compatible with the Classic environment, IMO.

Thank you for making my point.

That people have even more incentive not to be jerks in chat and this get a squelch in classic? On that I completely agree.

[Galdor-maelstrom (Galdor)]

Are you confusing the squelch and silence? The squelch has been in place for 10 years.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

The first time I took an extended break from WoW was when I accidently needed on an item in Scholomance and a player in my group that was in the top guild on the server told me he was putting me on his guild’s Blacklist and that I would never be able to play with a group again.

I quit my guild to save them any drama and stopped playing the game for 5 months. Blacklists are player controlled punishments, meted out without a trial, yet those that are opposed to this squelch system are in full favor of the community creating this horrible Blacklist system to dole out punishment.

The difference is, if you abuse the right click report system, Blizzard will slap you with a penalty.

Didn’t I just say I’m against Public “Name and Shame”?

[Ellilaine-gilneas (Ellilaine)]

We have also seen 14 years of a game in decline, their very “standards” in practice.

More like 10… Ever since they introduced community destroying crap like LFD with vote kicks that can be abused, a system much like the auto-squelch which can similarly be abused…

[Elaice-blades-edge (Elaice)]

Mid to late Wrath is when that started. Funny that was shortly after the merger…

[Ellilaine-gilneas (Ellilaine)]

Mid to late Wrath is when that started. Funny that was shortly after the merger…

And also when the long slow decline in population started…

[Fesz-cenarius]

Are you confusing the squelch and silence? The squelch has been in place for 10 years.

That is a possibility.

It is also possible that I am incorrect in thinking that both the player imposed punishment of an auto squelch and the Blizzard imposed punishment of a silence were added at the same time. If so, then I apologize and concede the point.