False reporting and automated ban

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Man. After reading through this, it makes me think Blizzard should just add a couple more global chat channels. One for LFG and a “shenanigans” one where people post silly stuff. Maybe then Trade will be left for trading.

Shenanigans would have to go through all the major cities. I think that’s why people use Trade, so much. It goes through all the major cities.

[Knocrogue-crushridge (Knocrogue)]

Definitely. Possibly active/able to chat in even when outside major cities!

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

Shenanigans would have to go through all the major cities. I think that’s why people use Trade, so much. It goes through all the major cities.

Bingo! And it allows ease of access to a wider base of players when you’re doing pug events.

Contrary to modern dogma, the use of pugs in Classic is very common. This is however why we keep our own personal black lists, because some players have sticky fingers or bad attitudes.

Those people you just mark down as “don’t play with that guy again”, although it’s important to know that Blizzard does not sponsor the use of a personal black list as a means to shame others in the forums. You’re not suppose to do that part, but the black list for your own personal reasons is a good thing.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Man. After reading through this, it makes me think Blizzard should just add a couple more global chat channels. One for LFG and a “shenanigans” one where people post silly stuff. Maybe then Trade will be left for trading.

They added a global LFG channel. It became the default channel for everything due to it being global.

There were numerous complaints about the LFG channel being useless for forming groups because any LFG advertisement was immediately pushed out of the chat window.

What did Blizzard do? To the best of my knowledge, they did not take action against players that were using that channel for things other than trying to find a group. To the best of my knowledge, they did not even issue a statement that '“named channels” should only be used for what the channel name “implies”, such as /trade being used only for the buying and selling of goods or services or the LFG channel only being used to find groups.

They did remove that global LFG channel, though, which resulted in /trade once again becoming the default channel for almost all chat in capitol cities.

They did not prevent players from creating their own global chat channels, though.

Players seem to gravitate toward the channel that will “reach” the largest amount of other players.

If Blizzard added a global “shenanigans” chat channel, that possibly could help. It might not, though. There is nothing to prevent players from “turning off” the “shenanigans channel” which would result in fewer people being “reached” and could lead to /trade again becoming the default channel for everything in capitol cities.

Note: I am not advocating against a global “shenanigans” channel. In fact, I think that would be a great idea. I’m just pointing out that it may not be the magical cure that some might think it will be.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

There is nothing to prevent players from “turning off” the “shenanigans channel” which would result in fewer people being “reached” and could lead to /trade again becoming the default channel for everything in capitol cities.

And people hold “Trade” to a different standard compared to the General and Local Channels. People want them lootz!

That being said, is it considered “Spam”, to Macro the same Sentence to cover ALL Chat Systems via Trade, General, Local, LFG, Guild Recruit, Say and Yell?

EDIT: Let’s say the sentence is “LFW (Linked Profession)”.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

I actually agree with you, especially the LFG channel (although there could be a set of tiered leveled ones with some overlap in order to make the LFG more relevant for each player). Looking for group spam in the trade channel is one of the most prolific white noise. As someone who actually conducts business (well, when I played the game years ago) in /trade, it drove me nuts to see my deals get insta-scolled off the chat window due to that. And ignoring the violators only blocked them from my view, not my potential customer’s.

A “silly one” could easily be community created.

[Fesz-cenarius]

There is nothing to prevent players from “turning off” the “shenanigans channel” which would result in fewer people being “reached” and could lead to /trade again becoming the default channel for everything in capitol cities.

And people hold “Trade” to a different standard compared to the General and Local Channels. People want them lootz!

People can hold whatever personal standards they choose to hold. That does not necessarily mean that Blizzard holds those same standards, though, or even that they should hold those same standards.

Blizzard’s standards are the only ones that should be"enforced" with ANY form of punishment (including a squelch), IMO.

That being said, is it considered “Spam”, to Macro the same Sentence to cover ALL Chat Systems via Trade, General, Local, LFG, Guild Recruit, Say and Yell?

EDIT: Let’s say the sentence is “LFW (Linked Profession)”.

IMO, whether to report that as “spam” is a question that I think boils down to personal opinion and how that player set up their macro(s).

If a player has their macro set to post the same message across every chat channel at the same time, I personally would at least ignore that person if I did not report them for “spam”.

If the player had a separate macro for each channel and simply “rotated” thoe macros so he was simply posting the same message in a different channel every 30 seconds, I personally would find that no more offensive than the person that was posting “selling crusader enchant 50G” in /trade every 30 seconds.

It is also important to remember that, unless I am mistaken, Blizzard has set restrictions on chat so that a player is limited as to how many messages can be posted to chat in a period of time.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

People can hold whatever personal standards they choose to hold. That does not necessarily mean that Blizzard holds those same standards, though, or even that they should hold those same standards.

Blizzard’s standards are the only ones that should be"enforced" with ANY form of punishment (including a squelch), IMO.

When I say standard, I mean value. Trade doesn’t have a lot of people leaving it indefinitely, like the other Channels. Which is odd 'cause Trade is the most annoying Chat, of all, LOL

[Knocrogue-crushridge (Knocrogue)]

If Blizzard added a global “shenanigans” chat channel, that possibly could help. It might not, though. There is nothing to prevent players from “turning off” the “shenanigans channel” which would result in fewer people being “reached” and could lead to /trade again becoming the default channel for everything in capitol cities.

Yah, that’s true. Still, I just feel that if said channels existed, people reporting players for non-trade related things in trade chat would be kind of okay. Since there is a channel to just mess around in and a channel to spam LFG posts.

A “silly one” could easily be community created.

I suppose they could. There’s just a few issues with player created channels. A player is admin of said channel and can impose their rule. Thus, I don’t think any channel like that would ever take off. Also, could be wrong, don’t player created channels have a player cap? Maybe that’s just my memory mixing up the created channels from Starcraft 1 and D1/2 days.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

People can hold whatever personal standards they choose to hold. That does not necessarily mean that Blizzard holds those same standards, though, or even that they should hold those same standards.

I have never seen a written rule to not stand up in the middle of a church service and fart as loud as one can, nor have I seen a written rule specifying that movie theater owners want patrons to not talk loudly on their cell phones or shine handheld lasers into the eyes of those trying to watch a movie.

Your lawyering attempts about not having seen blizzard’s standards is asinine.

When I say standard, I mean value. Trade doesn’t have a lot of people leaving it indefinitely, like the other Channels. Which is odd 'cause Trade is the most annoying Chat, of all, LOL

I would wager that most people automatically close the channel due to how badly the topic of the channel is enforced.

Values is a much better word for it by the way.

[Fesz-cenarius]

People can hold whatever personal standards they choose to hold. That does not necessarily mean that Blizzard holds those same standards, though, or even that they should hold those same standards.

Blizzard’s standards are the only ones that should be"enforced" with ANY form of punishment (including a squelch), IMO.

When I say standard, I mean value. Trade doesn’t have a lot of people leaving it indefinitely, like the other Channels. Which is odd 'cause Trade is the most annoying Chat, of all, LOL

I misunderstood you. I thought when you said “standards”, you meant in regards to how an individual player thinks those channels “should be used”.

I agree that /trade seems to be one of those channels that very few people “turn off”. That is why I am not sure that even a global “shenanigans channel” would do much to keep /trade more “trade oriented”.

[Fesz-cenarius]

People can hold whatever personal standards they choose to hold. That does not necessarily mean that Blizzard holds those same standards, though, or even that they should hold those same standards.

I have never seen a written rule to not stand up in the middle of a church service and fart as loud as one can, nor have I seen a written rule specifying that movie theater owners want patrons to not talk loudly on their cell phones or shine handheld lasers into the eyes of those trying to watch a movie.

Your lawyering attempts about not having seen blizzard’s standards is asinine.

It’s not about trying to “lawyer” about not having seen Blizzard’s standards, in writing or otherwise. We have 14 years of seeing Blizzard’s standards in practice. Blizzard has for 14 years permitted every channel to be used for practically anything as long as the user does not violate the CoC. Using /trade to hold a respectful, mannered conversation about the latest Marvel movie, for example, does not violate the CoC.

If a church permitted people to stand up and break wind as loudly and as often as they can, that is the church demonstrating their standards, even if every member of the congregation held different personal standards.

If the movie theater permitted patrons to talk loudly on their phones or shine handheld lasers into the eyes of those trying to watch a movie, that is the movie theater demonstrating their standards, even if the patrons did not agree with those standards.

YOU may not think that /trade should be used for anything other than buying or selling of goods or services, but Blizzard has repeatedly shown that they do not share that opinion or standard.

[Padrepwn-kiljaeden (Padrepwn)]

it was padrepwn

Yes? How might I be of service my good sir? Oh. This again. Ok. I’m here.

The squelch is not a punishment. It’s merely a detainment. Obviously none of you folks have ever been pulled over by the police or gone thru our marvelous judicial system?

When you are detained. You are held because you are a suspect while they search for evidence. If they don’t find no evidence. They let you go. So you are inconvenienced at best. Might even be late for work and lose your job. So you gotta be responsible and all that noise.
Same with the squelch. It’s an inconvenience.
Let me tell you there are millions right now in jail serving their punishment who wish they were only detained and let go. They know the difference between a punishment and being detained for investigation. Lol

How about giving the community a chance to not abuse this or giving blizz a chance to enforce the no abuse policy? I mean he’ll one of you are already organizing your guild to abuse it? Really? What’s that say? You sure this is “because others will abuse it”? Beat em to it right?

Anyone put any thought into how this works on closed servers? Anyone think maybe the same GM’s will be assigned to classic? Maybe they might ya know see some patterns in some folks “use” of the system that gets buried in that cross server connected sharded convoluted mess? Truth is we don’t know but the more of this topic I read the more it does not seem to be about what it does to classic…

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

We have 14 years of seeing Blizzard’s standards in practice.

We have also seen 14 years of a game in decline, their very “standards” in practice.

[Impreza-gorgonnash (Impreza)]

False equivalency.

Also, why does it automatically change to a different character every time you log in?

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

False equivalency.

Go on, explain how so. Their standards are their standards.

Also:

Also, why does it automatically change to a different character every time you log in?

Simply because this forum software is horrendously bad.

[Fesz-cenarius]

We have 14 years of seeing Blizzard’s standards in practice.

We have also seen 14 years of a game in decline, their very “standards” in practice.

Blizzard’s standards pertaining to chat channels did not prevent the player base reaching almost 8 million during vanilla and 12 million during Wrath, though, did they?

[Impreza-gorgonnash (Impreza)]

Yeah, it’s highly annoying. Second or third time today where I’ve gone to reply only to realize after the fact, it’s put me on a different character.

Anyway, their standards for intra-community conduct isn’t the same set of standards that led to the games decline. Maybe one could carve out a very small aspect of how that is part of a very large whole, but almost everything relating to the games decline is sourced from greed where all other ills that plague this game originate along very old paths.

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

Guess what, their standard is going to allow right click report as they themselves deem effective or makes them happy in the pants.

[Ziryus-doomhammer (Ziryus)]

We have 14 years of seeing Blizzard’s standards in practice.

We have also seen 14 years of a game in decline, their very “standards” in practice.

Blizzard’s standards pertaining to chat channels did not prevent the player base reaching almost 8 million during vanilla and 12 million during Wrath, though, did they?

What makes you think that how they moderated what is at it’s heart just a built in chat room had anything to do with WoW’s success.