False reporting and automated ban

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

OK, you clearly are not comprehending what I am writing, or you are simply not actually reading it.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

OK, you clearly are not comprehending what I am writing, or you are simply not actually reading it.

I could go into great detail about what I’m comprehending about you in your posts, but I’m trying to stay more positive these days.

[Fesz-cenarius]

I feel that them a) having a specific channel for trade and a separate channel for general discussion, and b) considering allowing us to right hand report which includes a number-triggered squelch, tells me enough about what they are comfortable with. It is not about my opinion trumping blizzards opinion.

Much like the classic subforum being here for classic subjects and moreso GD being for everything BUT classic discussion, I am led to believe that in most cases blizzard prefers things to be in the places provided for those things. Being lackadaisical about trade could simply be a matter of GMs being overwhelmed and having bigger fish to fry.

Sounds to me like, despite your denial, you are trying to justify why you feel your opinion trumps Blizzard’s decision and the policy they have established.

You go ahead and report everyone that has the audacity to use /trade for anything other than how YOU determine it should be used. If Blizzard continually overturns any squelches and takes action against you for false reporting, I’m sure that you will be the first to complain about “unfair punishment”.

[Fesz-cenarius]

That’s the point of auto-squelch to some people. That they can dictate and enforce the rules better than Blizzard. You know what they say about power…

No Mogar, it is about helping blizzard enforce when there simply are not enough GMs and enough time to do the job well enough on their own.

It is not about trumping
It is not about “doing better”
It is simply willingness to utilize the tool being handed to us to help them do what has always been an uphill battle for them.

Blizzard has no policy about /trade being used only in the manner you determine to be correct, though.

What are you helping Blizzard enforce when you conspire to mass report and silence every player that has the audacity to use /trade in a manner that you deem to be incorrect?

[Fesz-cenarius]

If they review what is reported and it is found to be a violation, there is zero need to review the reports. So no, unless the reported content is NOT a violation, the workload is actually lessened.

If the thing reported is a violation, how on earth could the people doing the reporting be abusing the system?

Numerous examples of players being able to abuse the system by carefully choosing what to put on their reports have already been given.

We can explain it to you, but we cannot understand it for you.

[Xecks-stormrage (Xecks)]

lol. people still dont get it .

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

Blizzard has no policy about /trade being used only in the manner you determine to be correct, though.

I see, there is no implication in the very fact that it is a channel separate from the general channel, with a specific name like “trade”. Clearly their policy was for all public channels to be general channels and they just named them differently for flavor. /s

Numerous examples of players being able to abuse the system by carefully choosing what to put on their reports have already been given.

“Numerous”

[Xecks-stormrage (Xecks)]

Blizzard has no policy about /trade being used only in the manner you determine to be correct, though.

I see, there is no implication in the very fact that it is a channel separate from the general channel, with a specific name like “trade”. Clearly their policy was for all public channels to be general channels and they just named them differently for flavor. /s

Numerous examples of players being able to abuse the system by carefully choosing what to put on their reports have already been given.

“Numerous”

it may have started out that way but the players will make game stuff their own.

it is agreed upon that trade is a catch all channel now.

you imposing your will on everyone wont change that and will in fact get you modded if we are to believe they will actually punish the false reports.

heres hoping.

[Williams-akama (Williams)]

It is simply willingness to utilize the tool being handed to us to help them do what has always been an uphill battle for them.

Do you hate the community aspect of Classic WoW?

Do you think you’re the police or hall monitor? Have you forgotten what the atmosphere of Classic was like or are you remembering BC and Wrath?

A lot of people tend to remember features from BC and Wrath as things that existed in Classic, but this is just their memory playing tricks on them.

Maybe you should just give Classic WoW a fair chance.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

I see, there is no implication in the very fact that it is a channel separate from the general channel, with a specific name like “trade”. Clearly their policy was for all public channels to be general channels and they just named them differently for flavor. /s

Until there is actual written rules indicating Trade Chat is for Trade Goods, only, it doesn’t matter how we interpret the channels.

[Fesz-cenarius]

Blizzard has no policy about /trade being used only in the manner you determine to be correct, though.

I see, there is no implication in the very fact that it is a channel separate from the general channel, with a specific name like “trade”. Clearly their policy was for all public channels to be general channels and they just named them differently for flavor. /s

When was the last time you reported someone for having the audacity to use /trade in a manner other than what you determined to be “correct” that actually led to that player having action taken against them?

Oh, that’s right. Blizzard is just “too busy” to actually enforce what you determine the “rules” should be.

Numerous examples of players being able to abuse the system by carefully choosing what to put on their reports have already been given.

“Numerous”

Yes, numerous.

All you need to do to see those examples is to go back through this thread.

I seriously doubt you will actually do that, though.

Even if you did go back through the thread and read those examples, I’m sure that you would simply dismiss and ignore those examples because they do not support your desire to have the option to conspire to silence any other player at any time for whatever little slight you think you had to suffer.

[Xecks-stormrage (Xecks)]

Until there is actual written rules indicating Trade Chat is for Trade Goods, only, it doesn’t matter how we interpret the channels.

true.

anyways this discussion has gotten away from the core of the matter.

players themselves shouldnt be involved in meting out punishment even if it is temporary.

right click report should be in the game but the auto squelch system shouldnt be. GMs should be the only one able to institute a punishment, period.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

true.

anyways this discussion has gotten away from the core of the matter.

players themselves shouldnt be involved in meting out punishment even if it is temporary.

right click report should be in the game but the auto squelch system shouldnt be. GMs should be the only one able to institute a punishment, period.

This has been pointed out, to death. Posters like Gnocci and Ziryus just keep talking in circles and repeating, over and over again, the same nonsense. It’s just an endless loop.

Every “knock” has been debunked. No matter how many times its repeated.

[Xecks-stormrage (Xecks)]

true.

anyways this discussion has gotten away from the core of the matter.

players themselves shouldnt be involved in meting out punishment even if it is temporary.

right click report should be in the game but the auto squelch system shouldnt be. GMs should be the only one able to institute a punishment, period.

This has been pointed out, to death. Posters like Gnocci and Ziryus just keep talking in circles and repeating, over and over again, the same nonsense. It’s just an endless loop.

Every “knock” has been debunked. No matter how many times its repeated.

aye. its pretty stupid to be sure.

and believe it or not they believe its not an actual punishment. i mean really?

[Gnocci-emerald-dream]

and believe it or not they believe its not an actual punishment. i mean really?

I love the BS creep in these threads. Please point to where I posted anything remotely like a belief that it is not “punishment” to be squelched. In fact I made a point to equate it to touching a hot stove.

This bull is why I no longer have interest in discussing it with you handful that are filling up these threads with disingenuous .

[Xecks-stormrage (Xecks)]

and believe it or not they believe its not an actual punishment. i mean really?

I love the BS creep in these threads. Please point to where I posted anything remotely like a belief that it is not “punishment” to be squelched. In fact I made a point to equate it to touching a hot stove.

This bull is why I no longer have interest in discussing it with you handful that are filling up these threads with disingenuous .

i dont remember who it was, but some of them have posted that it wasnt a punishment. im not going to go back through 2335 posts to find the line of arguments that it was in.

but ya people really did argue that it wasnt. probably was ziyrus or something. been a few days since i saw it.

Edit: it was padrepwn and a few others. i did a search of the thread. ctrl f for the win.

[Mogar-stormrage (Mogar)]

aye. its pretty stupid to be sure.

and believe it or not they believe its not an actual punishment. i mean really?

Punishment? Nah, it’s Justice!!! I remember one bloke saying he would squelch people telling Chuck Norris jokes for the good of mankind. LOL.

[Impreza-gorgonnash (Impreza)]

I’d agree with you that what chat falls into a channel should suit it’s purpose. I get annoyed when I see paragraphs of nonsense in trade, etc. and this annoyance would be even more pronounced in Classic, where the trade channel is actually important, contrasted to Retail where it hasn’t been for a very long time. That said, it’s still not against any rules. Although I wouldn’t be opposed to there being some structure here, for the record.

This is all an electronic from of citizens arrests which are completely laughable, especially once authorities come into the picture. Yet, most common law allows for citizens arrests to occur, they’re sweepingly never enforced for all of the similar reasons here in this thread concerning this subject. Blizzard, like the rule of Law, allows for tools like citizens arrest (the community) to carry out enforcement, but do not have the resources to investigate every or even most cases where this occurs. Prosecution is never on the table for the alleged offender unless the citizen has undeniable proof that warrants their set of actions - but is also not the basis for them to carry out the action in the first place.

Where this differentiates for Blizzard is having tracking tools to help paint a clearer picture as to the alleged offenders guilt or innocence. For Blizzard to go further and dig to validate if the report against the alleged offender turns out to be fraudulent is something that is on order of magnitude several times more time intensive, and virtually impossible to prove to take action against the fraudulent reporter. In the real world distinction, even where the alleged offender counter sues the citizen who arrested them, knowing their identity, the law almost never help sides with a counter lawsuit unless it is proven that there was some egregious act committed by the citizen making the arrest.

Every bit of this system boils down to he said/she said and where automation is involved at the first step, there’s no real potential of punishment for fraudulently reporting someone, for fear of whatever consequence.

People know cheating/exploiting is generally a baseline bannable offense. And yet it runs rampant from this game to the next. Consequences, even when enforceable tend to mean little to those willing to bend or break rules. Consequences mean nothing at all when there’s no possibility that they’ll be enforced, and from a logistics point, they simply cannot and will not be in an environment like this.

[Mellga-area-52 (Mellga)]

Believe me, I totally get it. If I had things my way (thank God it’s not), people would only be discussing in-game related content. But that’s just me ;p

[Knocrogue-crushridge (Knocrogue)]

Man. After reading through this, it makes me think Blizzard should just add a couple more global chat channels. One for LFG and a “shenanigans” one where people post silly stuff. Maybe then Trade will be left for trading.