The above comment about “inexperience” was one of the funniest things I have heard in years.
One of these days remind me to tell you about my experiences in gaming, and in alpha and beta testing…starting back in the late 1980’s.![:rofl:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/rofl.png?v=6" ":rofl:")
You mean the type that comes with players posting videos showing being punished for no valid reason and the game being near-unplayable for hours/days while waiting for the GM to overturn the unwarranted squelch?
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Seems like you enjoy your power trip.
The unwarranted squelch he asked his followers to give him? Lol.
That is too funny.
He should have and should still be banned for abusing the system. How is he innocent in this situation? By your own logic players colluding to silence someone should be punished. In blizz’s own words. It is punishable.
You can dress what he did up as a test of proof it can be abused but seriously why do you think blizz specifically mentions abusing the system in the CoC? Because it’s obvious it can be abused.
Setting up his “test” did nothing but break the rules and show the obvious in action. Action we have seen very little abuse of. Oh until streamers start highlighting it and have their sheep abuse it to prove abuse. Lol.
Blizz might not want to ban him so the sheep don’t bah about censorship cause he was just telling the obvious “truth”. Lol. Whataclusterbomb. Lol
You can’t even make this up. It’s really happening here. Lol
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.> has expressed he has no experience in WoW prior to 2010.
.> WoW was, socially, an entirely different game from 2008 and before.
.> begins to reason a specific comment about his inexperience in WoW to that point is inexperience in general gaming.
.> there were HEAPS of online MMO social experiments in the 80’s and 90’s. /s
Wew
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Do you mean the bad publicity that accompanies people being wrongly punished by Johnny and his cronies for doing nothing more than selling the same good/service for a lower price?
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I think you messed up the quote.
I never said that.
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Oh, it is a misquote. Second time that has happened today. I am sorry. I highlighted his text in your quote thinking it would quote him. I apologize. I will try to fix it now. ![:slight_smile:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=6" ":slight_smile:")
Edit* Fixed.
No worries.
I know how difficult the current quoting system can be.
Thank you for the fix.
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I have to honestly ask… How do you live your daily life with this mindset…? Do you understand how many law’s a day you break?
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Some people simply do not care. They care only about punishing those they feel slighted them in any way.
Johnny got passed on the way to work? He’ll just immediately dial 911 and report the driver that passed him for speeding and reckless driving.
Johnny sees someone someone tell a chuck Norris Joke? He’ll just collude with the few friends he has to squelch that person.
Etc.
When their true desire to be the one to administer punishment is brought to light, they will hide behind their claim of “I’m not breaking any rules.”
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Because that is the only known case of someone having that sort of video… Not to mention the whole part where if this idiotic, abusable, system IS implemented in classic there will certainly be more such videos made…
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Where’s the rest of these videos now? From blizz’s other games. Actual abuse. In everyday use too. Not a fabrication of abuse(which is abuse) to prove abuse. It doesn’t need to be proven it can happen. Blizz told you it could be abused when they told you it was punishable.
Everyone going “OMG Hairline is right it can be abused” didn’t read or doesn’t understand the CoC.
He should be banned. It was abuse no matter how you slice it.
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" ‘Hairline’ abused the system when he showed how easy it is to abuse the system, so that doesn’t count" ?
I guess you must have missed all the other videos that have been linked in this thread showing people abusing the system or having been victims of system abuse.
Note: I am not claiming that the streamer in question did not abuse the system. That does not negate either that instance of abuse to squelch a player who had broken no “chat rules”, or any of the other examples of abuse that have linked.
Calling for him to be punished for abusing the system the COC told us was abuseable is a far cry from saying it doesn’t count.
Are you saying he didn’t collude with his followers with the sole intention of squelching a player? There’s video evidence to the contrary. He gave the command to flag. Is that not the very abuse everyone is claiming will ruin classic?
Yes. I did. I’ll scroll back up and see. But if they have intentionally abused the system to show abuse. They should be banned too.
Ok so I’m going to look for these other video links. Can ya point me to the ones that are not staged please?
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Did i say that he did no abuse the system in his attempts to show how easily that system can be abused? i don’t believe I did.
I don’t believe that I said he should not have been punished for that abuse of the system, either.
I don’t believe that I said those who abuse the system should not be punished.
I DID, however, say that proving that abuse could very well be extremely difficult.
While the actions of the streamer in question were very blatantly and obviously an abuse of the system, not all cases of abuse are that easy to identify.
As an example:
Johnny and his cronies don’t like players who advertise gambling in chat. They collude to squelch every player they see advertising gambling in chat.
They are violating the COC and abusing the system by reporting with the intent to silence another player.
Each individual report, though, is a “valid report”, making proving that collusion and abuse difficult, to say the least.
I’ll let you draw your own conclusions from those videos.
This entire hypothetical goes out the window because advertising gambling is against the rules.
How do you even justify that as not being a reason to flag? If players so choose to. It’s well with in the rules and if the community as a whole actively flags advertising gamblers that says the community don’t want it either.
More like the intent to report an actual rule violation. How are you even trying to make this situation out into abuse? Forgive me but I’m not following here. How is it collusion if what they are doing is clearly against the rules?
I’m still looking. I started at the top and got caught up reading the whole thing again. Lots of interesting side discussions here. The avatar changes keep it interesting.
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When did I say that advertising gambling was not a reason to report? I didn’t. In fact, I specifically said that each individual report was a “valid report”.
The abuse is Johnny and his friends colluding to report with the intent to silence that player.
Submitting a report for “an actual rule violation” does not negate the possibility of abuse.
If you do not see the difference between Billy and 9 other random players that each make a separate, individual, unbiased and uncommunicated choice to report a player they feel is violating the rules and Johnny and 9 of his friends colluding to submit reports with the intent to silence that player themselves, you are being willfully obtuse.
I an explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you.
You can continue to be willfully obtuse, or you can choose to actually open your eyes and see the entire picture.
How do you focus on this as even being their intent? Gambling is against the rules. Period. Doesn’t matter if people flagged because they don’t want to see it or they flag because it’s gambling. That is completely irrelevant in this hypothetical or actual situation because gambling in any chat channel is against the CoC. That’s not abuse. This is what the system was actually designed for and the community coming together and collectively flagging rule breakers sounds like a community trying to keep a positive community. Or is this really about: it’s only an infraction of policy and punishable if one gets caught/reported?
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I see you have chosen to continue to be willfully obtuse rather than actually open your eyes and see the entire picture.
But, I will ask again in the (probably vain) hopes that there actually is a chance that you might open your eyes and see the entire picture and not just the little pieces that support your desire for players to have the power to impose punishment themselves.
10 random people who do not know each other and have never communicated among themselves each make an individual choice to report a player for what they feel is a violation of the rules. In this case, there is no abuse, IMO.
Johnny and his cronies each make a separate and individual choice to report a player for what they feel is a violation of the rules. They do not communicate among themselves about the violation, violator or reporting the violation either before or after they submit their individual reports. In this case, there is no abuse, IMO.
Johnny and his cronies all communicate and together decide to all report a player for what they feel is a violation of the rules to ensure that the player is squelched. In this case, the communication between Johnny and his friends that occurred prior to the reports being submitted and the subsequent premeditated mass reporting with the intent to ensure that the player is squelched is abuse, IMO.
If you do not see the difference between Billy and 9 other random players that each make a separate, individual, unbiased and uncommunicated choice to report a player they feel is violating the rules and Johnny and 9 of his friends colluding to submit reports with the intent to silence that player themselves , you are being willfully obtuse.
I can explain it to you, but I cannot understand it for you.
I can show you the forest, but I cannot make you see that forest if you insist on focusing on individual trees.
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