Ya he’s not getting that.
Absolutely agree. It’s buried in a combination of things. Almost as if the stars need to align. But don’t forget, Alliance had the choice…
Just as a horde player has the choice to play undead.
The only difference is your racial is more restricted, but certainly not out of the question of attainable.
lol…
And I remind you we go back to how group fights go down in AV and how fear bombing to break ranks is a strat used on both sides, but that this strat isn’t as effective when you have a fear break as a racial.
And it’s SPECIFICALLY fear because of the mechanics of fear that drive the target to run head long into your forces allowing them to burn your target down.
Nova doesn’t do that as well. Sure, it’s a snare but the snare is on the spot they wanted to be in the first place. So effective? Sure. As effective as the game suddenly controlling you to move into the enemy’s mass of players? Hardly.
And I haven’t even talked about loss of control of abilities entirely.
Fear is the BEST CC in the game right now.
Clearly we’re struggling to get our points across due to being restricted to typing. But if you’re just going to laugh at everything I say in an attempt to belittle me, there’s no point talking further.
Well nothing you are saying backs up your claims that the horde do not have a racial advantage.
They do.
It’s why everyone who likes PVP went horde.
It’s ok. If I wanted to PVP, I’d go horde. Because I’m not an idiot who can’t see clear advantages in the racials.
So ya, in the end I just gotta laugh at the sad attempts to try and suggest otherwise.
(don’t worry if I went horde, I’d tell them stupid alliance players I did it because of aesthetics as well 
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LOL! 
They should at the very least make EA instant cast. That’s getting closer towards balance.
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I never said they didn’t. That’s a narrative you formed.
I did, however, say Alliance had a choice… and they made it, further skewing the odds.
Oh I’m sorry I might have misunderstoof your orginal entry into the thread…
"And for every fear WotF breaks, Fear Ward stopped it completely… and assuming they applied it when they buffed themselves, they can literally apply it right after it’s been used.
The arguments against horde racials are pure garbage."
This made it sound like you were suggesting that the horde didn’t have superior racials for PVP…
This would seem to be a self fulfilling prophecy don’t you think?
The well known meta is that Horde racials are superior. Whether or not it’s true doesn’t matter much if the majority of min/maxing PvPers roll Horde.
I just explained to you and the other troll why it is true.
Unless you can tell me how I can use diplomacy to my advantage in PvP Mr “15 years in AV” guy.
Once again, an assumption leading to a self formed narrative.
No where did I say that, but hey, you’re welcome to assume all you like.
My OP specifically says Alliance have a similar racial.
Well hey, then my bad for reading that wrong.
Let’s stick to the topic and not name calling and personal attacking. This should help us all have more beneficial and intelligent discourse. We will all move towards a better understanding of each other if we stick to the topic and we might actually gain something from the discussion.
The only losers here are the ones who don’t learn anything. And we can all learn something from each other.
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Oh sure “stick to the topic”?
Me - horde have better racials for pvp, especially large scale pvp like what we see in AV.
you - No they don’t and if you let it get to large scale pvp, you’ve already lost so the racials don’t matter at that point…
/facepalm.
solution is to play your horde mage
Can’t you see the long term problems of having 1 faction have a huge PvP advantage? It’s unsustainable. It’s in your own best interest to support some alliance buffs, or people will stop rolling alliance / playing all together.
I think most alliance are going to evaluate whether or not they’ll keep playing on what shakes after AB drops.
Otherwise this thread is gonna be the reason why I leave. It’s too 1 sided, and it keeps getting worse.
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Perhaps you have me confused with someone, Tigol. My point has not been that Horde don’t have better racials. I’ve only stated that I believe that particular advantage is marginal and that there are other factors at play that primarily contribute to the Horde’s significantly higher win percentage.
I’ve corrected you on this already and you keep going back to this.
I would say the Horde advantage has more to do with some combination of superior strategy, map layout and general Horde attitude brought on by the meta and having to wait for significantly longer to get into a battle.
I don’t believe the racials make or break AV.
Blizzard is caught between a rock and a hard place here.
#no changes means things all stay the same.
I think in the end classic will be fine, I think a small niche will still enjoy pvp. I think AV will die off and become that instance nobody ques for.
Private servers have been around for 15 years. I think classic will be just fine. They can’t balancing out PvP for wow classic. That wouldn’t be classic and they would end up trying to balance out both retail and classic? Yikes
This is a very shallow strategy that either ignores or or is ignorant of spawning and geography.
trying to rush your entire team south to cap a flag is a huge gamble. You are essentially forfeiting your forward GY to try and capture and hold a GY in enemy territory with the closest respawn being SPGY after horde have rushed to capture SHGY like they do every game.
Even if you get 30 people south which is a generous number considering how hard horde will try and stop the push, they then have to hold the cap for 5 mins without being attritioned by horde defenders. The only teams that pull this off vastly outplay the opposing team.
The real way any pug game will play out is that they will either get wiped while trying travel on foot through IBGY because they had to stop and fight the horde team and are being constantly harassed and picked off by IBGY rezers. then they will lose SHGY. then they will be stuck north.
Nevermind that any alliance trying to run south gets picked off and forced further north as you like have lost SH and SP by this point.
The game is SF gy. Lose that and the war is lost.