Evoker Tank - Fortification

I speculate that both Evoker and Demon Hunter will get their 3rd spec in the future, depending whether the story fits with their theme or if the subs are down. As its a great way to bring back players (IMO)

However I’ll be honest I would be extremely happy and very surprise if they actually add it in this expansion, whether throw a quest unlock or just as you do the main scenario quest.

Then again I have worked with Dev teams in the past and I highly doubt it, that they have even the breathing room to contemplate this even after DF is out, but if it happens it be Legion all over again for me 6 month minimum sub and non-stop playing until the expansion is over, FF14, ESO, GW2, DCUO and SWTOR will have to wait, no way I miss those new class spec with their intro stories!

Obviously that is just me I’m sure I’m a minority on this, hyper-drive obsession with these new Classes! :sweat_smile:

Evokers gain the powers from the essences of the 5 Dragonflights imbued into them at their creation. Their abilities come directly from that power, which is why they have abilities that span each one. Of course, there’s a significant underrepresentation of Black Dragonflight abilities which easily would be evened out by granting Evokers a tank spec.

I never said that the lore implies Evokers have a tank spec, I said that the lore allows one to exist. There is justification in the lore to allow it to happen.

Evokers are proven to be capable of tapping into the Earth given powers of the Black Dragonflight. They use that power to reinforce their scales to make them tougher, and they use it to control the earth around them to stop enemies in their place and even to uplift the ground to form walls of rock.

Just because those are the only spells they have doesn’t mean they can’t do other things. New spells have been added to classes/specs many times (most recently with the Dragonflight talent revamp). Those spells were always possible within the lore, they just weren’t available because of gameplay limitations (you simply can’t give a class every possible thing because they’d have an endless number of spells and not enough bars for them to go).

Nothing in the lore stops an Evoker from using more Earth based abilities rooted in the Black Dragonflight essence contained within them to tank.

Additionally, you don’t need the tank spec to be mid-ranged like their other 2 specs nor would them getting a tank spec make them OP.

Multiple classes have more than 1 play style.
Hunters and Shaman for example both have a spec that is ranged and another that is melee.

And just because right now channeling a spell isn’t ideal for a tank because it has negative consequences, you can simply make a passive that negates that to make it more viable. Alternatively, it can simply be worked around by making the tank spec not used casts/channels in the first place.

There will very likely never be another Dragonflight themed class, so having a Dragonflight tank spec is only possible through the use of Evoker. The lore supports Evokers getting a tank spec through what is possible with their Dragonflight magics within them.

It doesn’t matter if we’ve already gotten new tanks from the previous new classes. Realistically, it should be the norm for all new classes to get access to all 3 roles. Additionally, it should be a priority of the developers to add new specs to the previous classes so that they too can have access to the roles they’re missing.

If I want to play a certain role, I shouldn’t be required to change classes to do so. A lot of people have their favorites, and they don’t want to stop playing that favorite. There are plenty of missing fantasies (Void based tank for example [Warlock] and Arcane based tank as another example [Mage]) that can be manifested into new specs in ways that comply with the lore. Magic can be used in limitless ways as we’ve seen time and time again.

By giving more people access to tank (and healer) for their mains, it offers to these individuals the chance to try the roles they’ve previously never had access to and potentially learn that they love it. It would absolutely increase the number of tanks because it would offer them a spec that matches the fantasy they already love rather than making them have to switch off of that fantasy and onto something else they wouldn’t like as much or at all.

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Or it has a lore reason as to why that is?

So they have a Def cd an a root…
Guess mage, rogue, hunter needs do be tanks too.

As far as we know.
But as it was Neltharion that created them, and he already heard the whispers in his head he might have thought that more connection to the black essence will cause worse corruption…

Compare the racials of evoker to racials of any other Tank race. Yes it would make them op

Why does the connection to the Black essence only need to be defensive?
Like literally Deathwing caused death and destruction with his powers.

All I’m saying opening the race to other classes will be the preferred option.
As several classes utilize the elements already.

Like warrior thunderclap, heroic leap
Like monk fire breath and throwing “oil” brew.

There isn’t lore for them. Op is prob pulling at strings at best.

it wasn’t, OP is misreading things and claiming it as facts that only his mind contextualized as.

Nah, you would argue this every new expansion with “if [expansion name]'s new class had tank, the expansion would be up there with legion and wrath”. Dh’s tanking wasn’t the reason legion was awesome. Dks weren’t the sole reason Wrath was awesome. It had to do with being a well written very fun expansion full of something for everyone. Not every new class needs tanks. We do not need 20 tanks.

To be perfectly fair and to also include, Legion was alright, but it wasn’t one of the best expansions as well, with the rediculous amount of RNG it had. Only reason why people really enjoyed it because it wasn’t Borelords of Draenor.

In otherwords though, I do know what you were saying. New classes weren’t what makes an expansion good, it is the content within the expansion.

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I agree that dracthyr tanks fit the fantasy, and to ppl saying it’s fine the way it is, I dont see how it would bother if they implemented tanks in most of the classes. Let me play what I want to play. Of course if I go pvp i will swap to dps spec or heal but if I want to heal or tank a dungeon I should be able to with the class that i want to play.

Give tank specs to shaman, demo locks, frost mages, priest, evokers, bm hunter etc.

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IMO the next tank they add need to dual wield shields to make up for it.

we have never argued that Dracthyr Tanks doesn’t fit the fantasy.
People argue that Evoker Tanks isn’t necessary.

Glad to see support for an Evoker tank spec continue to grow. People that actually understand the possibilities the lore offers.

Giving Dracthyr more classes as a way to let them tank is not the solution to the missing fantasy. A dragon tank theme isn’t going to be satisfied with a Dracthyr warrior, paladin, etc. Those classes aren’t dragon themed.

Evoker is the dragon themed class, and nothing in the lore stops them from using their power to tank.

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nothing in the Lore enables them either …

I already explained that it is possible, you choosing to ignore that doesn’t make it false.

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And as I already explained Black abilities caused more destruction as they have saved/protected other people.

We’ve seen precious few black dragons that weren’t corrupted.

Ebonhorn has allegedly been a protector of Highmountain his whole life.

Wrathion wishes to be what Neltharion was meant to be. A guardian and protector of Azeroth.

The earth itself makes fine sense to be used to defend, protect and also to attack.

I see how it fits.

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No

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you are quoting 2 recent examples for Dragons after the Corruption.
But Dracthyr/Evoker was made before the Corruption. meaning they only know the destructive side of things.

Does it?
We have earthquakes causing destruction
We have landslides causing destruction. (be it they only cause a root ingame for whatever reason))
Vulcanos causing destruction.

It is necesary for the simple reason that if someone wants to play dracthyr and only dracthyr , no other classes, you prevent this player from having the choice to be tank, thus decreasing the tank database.
On the other hand i dont see any valid argument for not giving this class the opportunity to be tank.

Dracthyr is not the Class.

Evoker is the Class.

Giving tanks to Dracthyr? Yeah!

Giving Tank spec to Evoker? Noo!

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I think you meant to say “Evoker” instead of “Dracthyr” based on your use of the phrase “no other classes”

Fully agree though

That’s a simple viewpoint.

Deathwing was falling but the recent videos with norzdormu suggest that he gave in only during the attack by Rasageth.

The Dracthyr were not made with corruption in fact they were meant to be ordered.

I’ll place my bet right now we’ll find out he saved em from corruption and after that moment he really sealed them away to keep them safe from it.

The earth brings land to live on.

Volcanos create extremely fertile soil.

Landslides clear mountain sided for new growth.

Honestly we can find destruction in every element just as you can life.

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For the amount of examples of destructive earth abilities there are equal amounts protective ones.

Earth shields and barriers, earth elementals (which are literally tanks that will protect), earth based healing abilities, etc.

As I’ve explained, magic is versatile.

Nothing stops an Evoker from using the essences of the Dragonflights within them to tank. By virtue of their wide arsenal and the fact that magic is versatile they can create new abilities and modify existing ones that give them such a role.

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