I am not saying I don’t want it. I’m saying it is actually a good thing that this is the first hero class to be added without a tank spec. Does everything that get added has to have a tanking spec?
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No, not everything. You’re not listening. This is huge, this is more important than demon hunter tanks. How is it a good thing that they can’t tank? That just takes away a choice, takes away a fantasy. That is not a positive.
How about you explain how it “takes away” if it wasn’t added in the first place?
Like seriously?
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It takes away the potential of a choice.
Due to the creation of Evokers, there will VERY like never be another Dragon themed class added.
Thus, you’ll never get a tank based spec around the Dragon fantasy.
Therefore, that unique fantasy is lost without giving it to Evoker.
I’d need to be re-explanted to your argument, but at the moment I’ve yet to see anything valid against adding a tank spec to Evoker.
Everything in the lore points to it being possible.
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The way I see it, and this is just me, is that Dracthyr were meant to fulfill the requests of folk who wanted to play Dragons and Draconid.
They’ve done a wonderful job with the dragon fantasy in many respects with Dracthyr.
But they’re very much missing the mark on the draconid side of things. The burly draconic tanky soldier.
Even if Dracthyr could have access to Warrior to fulfill the “bulky and strong draconid fantasy” I still wouldn’t be satisfied because it isn’t truly the dragon themed tank spec I want. It’s just a bland tank on a “dragon” compared to a spec themed around being a dragon.
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Well, yes and no. Honestly, it is complicated since Blizzard keeps changing the lore and making everything quite confusing.
Oh yeah, I think just giving them warrior isn’t really enough… Or at least it wouldn’t be for me.
I love black dragons and I really wanted to be able to play a earth based tanky dragon setup.
Dracthyr would be perfect for the sort of dragon fantasy I’ve been looking for for years if they had the tank - Fortification - spec they look like they could have had.
I find it funny that there is an outcry for evoker tanks and it seems to get a lot of people wanting it.
Yet I believe that actual tank mains don’t want this and the ones wanting it don’t even tank in general and just want instant queue to lfr to afk.
If there were as many tank mains as people asking for tank evoker there wouldn’t (most likely) be a tank shortage.
- I main a Warlock. Last time I checked, a Warlock is a pure DPS class.
- I am not against Evokers having a tank spec, I am just simply stating I am actually glad we finally have a new class added that doesn’t involve having a tank.
- In relation to that tank shortage comment:
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My main switches between a Paladin and a Druid… both of which I use my tank spec in preferably.
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MoP + WoD: Paladin Tank
Legion: Druid Tank
BfA + Shadowlands: Monk Tank
Dragonflight: Evoker and thus 1 less tank player available to help pugs
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You could just play a Dragon Knight in ESO
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But then I’d have to play ESO and the whole thing falls apart right there.
My biggest issue,
How would you balance the class compared to other tanks. Without massive nerfs to a few abilities, Evoker tanks would be leagues above the rest.
Cant dodge, parry, or block when casting. To make evoker tanks work you would have to redesign the game to allow these to work with enpowered abilities or tanks would die when casting fire breathe. If the break this rule, once aggro is gained couldnt evoker just spam heals the entire fight while evading damage? Tank healer in one go since living flame does both. Evoker would outheal deathknights and pallies.
Class tree:
Compete redesign to include the fact tanks would be able to use them. Can hover still have 2 charges? Can deep breathe still stun? Complete overhaul and you would see big nerfs everywhere. If not, balance issues conpared to other tanks.
Hover:
Azure strike spam across a room of adds, hover keeps to moving faster amd quicker then them. Lets you heal and hold threate without the threate of damage or dieing. Pull a full room of mobs, hover and still do ypur pve rotation without taking any damage since youll be at range.
Lets take some of the worse tank affixes possible:
Fort, Sanguine, Necrotic, Bolstering, and the spirit one for funzies all at once. They would all be negated via hover alone. Any tank that cpuld full pve rotation at a range would eliminate any of the above threates instantly. Why take any other tank?
Deep Breath:
Immunes CC and slows. You can fully evade debuffs and boss abilities by brcoming immune during take off and flight. Abilities Blizz added to ensure tank swaps in raids could be immuned elimating the need of other co tanks in raids. Blizz would have to redesign boss fights to account for this making other tanks lives harder as things they dod before may no longer work.
Proxy range:
Many bosses in raids and 5 mans have abilities that nuke parties and raids if no tank is in melee range. This is to avoid possible out ranging of strikes and ensures groip death if the tank dies. Imagine evoker tank pulls and entire party wipesnin seconds simply because they were too far. Many bosses woild have to be rebuilt to ensure Evoker tanks dont kill everyone every time they try to pull or if they accodently hit Verdant Embrace.
Renewing Blaze? Heavy nerf
Twin Gaurdian? Nerf bat
Terror of thr Skies? Shockwave X 1000
Zephyr? DK bubble but better
Recall? Kite adds for days
Source of Magic:
Only tank in the game that can feed healers mana during a fight. May not restore much, but Arcane mages…chefs kiss
This isnt even looking at racials and spec talents or even how they would mitigate damage (if they are ever hit).
Evoker tanks would not be balanced amd would be way to strong conpared to other tanks
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When was that implied?
Source?
Where in the Lore has Evoker a tank spec?
there isn’t anything that says one way or the other afaik for evokers potentially being tanks.
If you want to generalize (and squint really, really hard) you can argue that the black flight was/is the tank flight because their mission statement involved protecting the earth(dirt)… ergo 4 flight class should be able to tank
If you consider lore? Any magic wielding class could probably get the job done because magic is much more freeform in lore vs in game mechanics. The beauty of how wow magic works seems to be that there is many routes to get to the same end result. Look at Aetiesh, alchemists and druids making a flight form. All fly and get the job done but differently.
With all that out of the way? I most definitely agree with Evokers never getting a tank spec. They just aren’t designed to maybe get a tank spec later and would love to see Dracthyr anything else sit in the ‘am dargon will tank’ slot
Where in the lore was evoker? Blizzard made it up, like they made up all lore.
missed the point…
the Op mentioned based on lore it would be possible.
So I asked where in the lore?