At this point I’d accept satyrs in the Horde if they’d gimme some felcloth.
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I hate that farm.
I got my r14 gear but bought the other pieces on the ah. BoEs or would buy my way into a raid carry in Classic cuz I dont like PvE as much. Only PvP.
Before Classic launched so many of us including me… maybe even closer to all of us were saying how long and difficult the grind to R14 truly was. how it would take so many months and tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of hks. That the raids were all going to be super difficult. Everything was opposite from how all of us remembered it the first time around. You can get R14 with just over 19k hks now. The raids were so easy that people were doing them with not full groups, and really bad gear.
Didnt take a group of 40 full BiS players to down them. So. The whole R14 grind thing and using R14 gear in some PvE content… it is what it is.
Dont worry noob, we will carry you in your blues still.
Gear requirement for 20 mans is low. Gear requirement for MC / BWL is low minimum pre raid bis.
whocare? people are in nax gears nax>r14
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Not really.
750k cap is still going to require you to play 50+ hours a week if you’re a general player. Players in top premades will cut this time down, but it isn’t going to be “free gear”
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Thanks for admitting you’re a sander.
Never comment on pvp again ty
Its not like Im simply believing them and putting a blind, optimistic faith in their assessment. Im correlating what their reasons are with what transpired which I experienced, witnessed and read a ton of testimony on.
There’s simply no defending 2million+ 80 hours a week honor farms with RMT, botting and xenophobic attitudes - dont know what else to to tell you. It happened because it could happen, not because it should happen or was some superior form of play.
I get it, you premaded, you liked the community and sense of accomplishment it provided you and your teammates but behind that was a destructive force that had no business conducting themselves in the way that they did or for the reasons they were doing it for - no matter how many nice people went along with it.
The same could be said for the pvp community as a whole, which is why Blizz is going down this road to begin with. That’s where the blame lies, since you want to assign some.
I don’t think anyone here is contesting that abuses happened. I think the point MT and I have been trying to make (and that many ITT have been resistant to accepting) is that while, yes, abusive behaviors did rise to the top in certain communities, that experience wasn’t universally observed across all the Classic realms. In some cases, the opposite happened: players that had long already obtained their max rank/better gear voluntary chose to pitch in and help their faction’s rankers access the premium ranks all while asking for nothing in return.
With this new PvP system, the greatest offenders will lose their power to run a ‘bracket mafia’, but you must also acknowledge this comes at the cost of disabling the benign/benevolent players who made ranking a purely cooperative/altruistic activity.
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I think its hilarious he has a burning hatred for gdkps because it somehow “subverts game design” for gear acquisition yet he got rank 13 gear with 4 digit hks running sand.
Hypocrisy at its finest
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Moot point seeing as BGs are cross realm. No one is denying there were servers that didnt succumb to that level of hedonism but it still happened on a scale where it could be plainly observed and to a point where intervention was deemed necessary.
Are there exceptions to the rule? Yes. Should we then ignore the rule and feign indignance and sweep it all under the rug? Not a chance.
I already did. But thats how collective punishment works and there’s a reason why we are being collectively punished and its not because Blizz is trying to cater to casuals or screw with benign or benevolent players.
The problem and thus its solution was brought about by we the people and until people accept that Ill continue to point it out. I dont like it anymore than the next guy but Im not going to pretend there’s a real case against the changes because there isn’t.
The indignation is not feigned. It’s entirely warranted. That’s the point. Those who’ve genuinely done nothing wrong (or even cultivated positive growth) under the old system shouldn’t have to be punished for the bad actors that have made this intervention a reality.
That is the flaw within this design. Whether or not you consider it persuasive is another matter.
Plenty ITT ignore the collateral damage out of selfishness, the same problem that initiated this fiasco to begin with.
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This isnt about the people who did nothing wrong. This is about the people who did do something wrong - and there were lots off them. Get as indignant as you can if you think that helps you in any way.
Yes, when a change occurs it affects everyone regardless of where they stand or stood and its certainly in anyone’s right to deem that unfair if they weren’t engaged in it but we wouldnt be here if things werent unfair already. Pick your poison - at least the new poison won’t be as exploitable.
I find that hugely ironic but its whatevs. If you want to defend the old system and cast a negative light on those in favor of the new one using that as your excuse, have at it. I think most rational people will have concluded that the old honor system was in need of updating.
I mean I don’t agree with you, I see Blizzard as making changes for the people care about themselves over community. This is not the first time I’ve seen this from Blizzard either, it happens over and over and over and has over time with almost every aspect of the current game.
If I could read that post and see Blizzard putting a shred of care into making a better PVP community I’d see your point but I see none of that. All I read is “We don’t like community in our WoW classic Era MMO so we want it gone, we are only interested in making another personal rep grind”. That’s what I do not like.
Objectively I can see this change as ok and it shouldn’t totally destroy the PVP community because premades will still be a thing. So people will still be making friends etc. Objectively I can see it’s well-liked. So going beyond that blue post it’s fine.
Both that post and the “mafia” thing are pet peeves to me so I get riled up. We all have our things. That’s why I don’t get why you are poking at my pet peeves when you know I have them. My intent has never been to do that to you. I don’t want Wrath forum-style arguments between us.
Perhaps it would be better for your blood pressure if you acknowledged that your experience isn’t the totality of experience.
It might not even represent the majority of experience.
Your pet peeves aren’t an excuse to shut down discussion.
My annoyance is with people who want me to accept that only their experience is relevant while ignoring mine. Typing it out is my release and I do keep it private often enough.
I’m only asking to not get poked by someone who I’ve had long, seemly productive, conversations with. He replied to me while I was trying to back up the experience of someone else one day after we had a huge discussion about the same thing.
I see this angle on it, and if you had a great group then that would certainly be the feeling is that Blizzard is making something you enjoyed more or less obsolete.
Organized PVP will always be the superior way to PVP. I don’t see why that would stop especially in WSG and AB. To a large degree though it is a personal rep grind, you just need a “community” to do it because otherwise a free for all race to see how much players can no-life the game would happen. I’ve mentioned the Hunter on that server who held R14 hostage on Alliance for 5 months before, that can totally happen in the original system.
The way I see it is Blizzard identified the obvious problems with it and addressed those. You read all these threads and respond in most of them, I know you are aware of the shenanigans that are the exclusive domain of people controlling brackets in WoW.
Unfortunately they didn’t have the idea for rated PVP until later. If you remember the original implementation had a special contest where the top honor earner from each faction on each server got a special tabard and the overall winners got a video card from Nvidia. Those seem like innocent days compared to what it is now.
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You’re “releasing” with a pretty broad brush, there friend.
You ending up painting yourself with a nice shade of Sherwin-Williams “Hypocritical”.
Maybe public forums aren’t for you.
I dont see anything that backs this claim. Solo players aren’t sticking it to premades or any other community with Blizzard’s blessing and backing. The opposite occurred and so Blizz is leveling the playing field some. Also, all those communities can still exist under the newer system. You’d have a point if Blizzard disabled premading or handicapped it in some way - they didnt. You can still farm pugs as much as you want - pugs are just no longer gatekept by “the community” at the higher brackets. Premaders didnt lose anything, solo players got a chance to hit R14 without having to join a premade.
Too bad the community as whole wasnt really interested in that either.
They’re not trying to improve communal pvp relations, they’re attempting to open the system up to reward more than just the people who play 80 hours a week in sweatmades and hit their quotas by farming hapless teams.
They could have simply made separate queues for premades and solo queuer’s like players asked for but premaders lost their minds at the suggestion and said the same thing you just did.
You can think whatever you want to. I get your point but you seem to be taking everything I say the way you want to. There’s nothing I can do about that.
Nope. They absolutely are for me.