Everyone in R14

[Evilglinda-moon-guard]

@Mootwo-earthfury

There’s nothing I can do about that.

Other than holding yourself to the standards you set for others.

@Mootwo-earthfury

They absolutely are for me.

Then be prepared to have your bad opinions challenged.

[Mootwo-earthfury]

Any time I post I am prepared to be challenged.

Also, I get wordy because I often try to tell people I understand what they are saying but here’s what I think. I rarely get that courtesy back but do get a lot of snark so then I sometimes reply in the same way back.

I’m not the only one who’s noticed this on these forums. They are not friendly at all.

[Evilglinda-moon-guard]

@Mootwo-earthfury

I rarely get that courtesy back

You’re wrong.

[Mootwo-earthfury]

@Corpseknife-mankrik

I dont see anything that backs this claim.

The blue post itself was all about making PVP anti-community and into a personal rep grind. There were statements hating on the PVP community but zero on how this change would make that part better. That’s because Blizzard doesn’t care about that at all and their past proves that they do not.

If you find one thing in that blue post that proves that the devs actually care at all about the community and not only about the solo experience player please show me. Outside of their unspoken not removing premading.

@Corpseknife-mankrik

Also, all those communities can still exist under the newer system. You’d have a point if Blizzard disabled premading or handicapped it in some way - they didnt.

This is why when I look at it objectively, beyond that blue post, I don’t get more frustrated.

I know that some PVP community can still exist although I’m not sure how many people I can get to know now or how many I can help now. We’ll see how that plays out hopefully in the next season when I really play again.

@Corpseknife-mankrik

They’re not trying to improve communal pvp relations

That’s my exact problem with it. The devs constant and ongoing desire to remove community from WoW and cater to those who would be best served by a single-player RPG or even Retail where the community has already been almost entirely ripped out, all while giving a middle finger to those who should be the target audience (even though people have accepted this one so I’ll concede that, the next time they go off and try to take the community out of Era maybe it won’t be as well received).

@Corpseknife-mankrik

They could have simply made separate queues for premades and solo queuer’s like players asked for but premaders lost their minds at the suggestion and said the same thing you just did.

I don’t know if there would have been the player base for this in Era. They could have easily copied that part of the Wrath code matching premades first though.

[Zipzo-fairbanks]

This is silly. It still takes a monumental amount of PvP to reach R14 regardless of the changes (8 weeks probably of hitting 500k every week which isn’t beans for the average player). There’s no reality in which that will ever become the “expected baseline” for pug raids in MC or whatever. Just ridiculous hyperbole.

[Bonerover-stormreaver]

Yes but now it’s guaranteed.

[Mootwo-earthfury]

First of all, I do appreciate your feedback. Thanks.

@Steeldust-thunderfury

Organized PVP will always be the superior way to PVP. I don’t see why that would stop especially in WSG and AB. To a large degree though it is a personal rep grind, you just need a “community” to do it because otherwise a free for all race to see how much players can no-life the game would happen.

Right, I understand that which is why I haven’t expressed more annoyance about the change.

If Blizzard removed premading I’d be done and looking for “other options”.

I’m also very annoyed about how Wrath Classic has played out and even more annoyed about how those Wrath servers are because I stay with things long term and that was so bad I had to quit.

I also don’t trust that this change won’t have “unintended consequences” and I also don’t know if I’ll get to know more than a small handful of people now outside of whatever guild and they might even be in that guild.

90% of this game for me is all about server community and guild community and PVP community and after that helping people achieve their goals. Take those away and IMO it’s just boring.

@Steeldust-thunderfury

I’ve mentioned the Hunter on that server who held R14 hostage on Alliance for 5 months before, that can totally happen in the original system.

The way I see it is Blizzard identified the obvious problems with it and addressed those. You read all these threads and respond in most of them, I know you are aware of the shenanigans that are the exclusive domain of people controlling brackets in WoW.

Yes, I’ve been in these threads for years and I’m aware of the bad and just would like to see more people acknowledge the good as well. However, that’s like asking for the weather to change and expecting it to happen. It won’t.

I’ve never once said bad things haven’t happened. People love to tell me what my experience has been and then attack my real life though.

[Steeldust-thunderfury]

PUG raids in MC definitely not, that would be silly.

If there is another SoM I fully expect this to be required of core raiders in hardcore guilds but that isn’t new. Several of those are already that way only now they can do it faster.

@Bonerover-stormreaver

Yes but now it’s guaranteed.

Guaranteed(*)

I’m not sold on that yet. My prediction is the three camps we have now stays about the same. Rankers will rank, casual PVP enjoyers will progress at a slower pace but get there some day, people who do not like BGs or PVP will not grind it out for the gear or will not last. The second group seems to me like the ones who benefit from this the most.

It is a lot less work to just hit MC/Ony/ZG/AQ20 and BWL for 8-12 weeks every lockout. As already mentioned you need a bunch of pieces from those places anyway and some you will never replace not even in Naxx.

[Realbarth-whitemane]

It’s only guaranteed if you can ever spend 25 hours a week pvping, assuming you’re in a 20k per hour premade

[Callmeßetty-jom-gabbar]

@Bonerover-stormreaver

If you have gold and/or connections. If you don’t have either of those, what is your option?

Neither of those are needed to get into a raid but the obvious option would be to make them.

@Bonerover-stormreaver

Yes but now it’s guaranteed

And you keep saying this but it’s entirely false.

Decay is still apart of the new honor system the only difference is now you won’t lose rank but it’s still entirely possible to make 0 progress at all.

[Randylayhe-eranikus]

@Deathsbounty-area-52

“handful”…

bro youre still talking 30-40 hours of pvp a week to top out… could actually be more. If youre only getting 10k HPH… guess how many hours you need to pvp for 750K.

Gonna be tons of premades… if you arent premading and youre solo queuing getting 5-6k HPH… OH BOY are you EFFED

it wont matter if they dont fix the pvp gear or allow people to casually hit r14 world will die out around aq again and we will be right back here 6 months later screaming for fresh when they could fix the gd issue to start with.

[Asma-mankrik]

Real pvp gods don’t talk this way.
Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?

[Barth-smolderweb]

Pvp gear accessibility has nothing to do with the game dying out around aq. I don’t know why you’re obsessed with this one issue and think it’s the root of every problem in the game.

[Lazarak-whitemane]

It dies out cause all the fun is early generations of ranking. He doesn’t know wtf he’s talking about. The real reason is pvp just gets dull after the main herds have finished. Sure you’ll get some good games in p5-6, but it’s consistency levels put around p4

Literally has nothing to do with gear. Pvp is not the same when people are in full nax gear this is true and makes it less fun bc the meta change is so drastic.

His suggestion of buffing pvp gear doesn’t fix that problem. What he wants is naxx equivalent gear pieces Which will have him still seeing pvp die at the same spot

[Barth-smolderweb]

From what I can tell they think the open world / server dies out because pve raiders begin to outclass pvp gear. Which is I believe a silly take if only because I believe the population of classic wow that hates pve with a passion and only wants to pvp is minuscule in the scheme of things.

[Deathsbounty-area-52]

Youre still typing after getting bodied endlessly when it comes to pvp?

Oof

[Zipzo-fairbanks]

No it’s not ya dingus, you can still decay for not hitting the honor milestones.

[Randylayhe-eranikus]

@Deathsbounty-area-52

Youre still typing after getting bodied endlessly when it comes to pvp?

Oof

I ran pvp back in the day and its no difference here.

Only difference is these kids do their pvping on the forums then pat them selves on the backs with their “gotchas”…

To many pve nubs in here

[Deathsbounty-area-52]

Any askers?

[Randylayhe-eranikus]

English classes would help I believe.