The difference is that mut is trash, combat daggers is unviable, combat swords is the only good spec that can compete outside of P1 combat swords w/ mace, and shadowstep is pvp.
That said, having many cool names doesn’t mean there is spec identity. In Legion, Assasssination was a dot focused spec, Outlaw was the pirate (lol) and blunt upfront damage, and Sub was the focus on finishers. There was a clear identity between the three outside of classic’s slight stat changes, with only end cap talents being the true difference between the specs.
Again, I just provided you three but you choose not to accept them as valid positions for some reason because you just want what you want. Which is fine but saying there is no downside to the change is silly. There is always pros and cons, only sith deal in absolutes.
I think it’s pretty hilarious that not only is the OP completely correct, this whole thread then immediately devolved into a couple of trolls literally asking for retail changes then pretending there are not already a hundred other threads explaining the problem with those changes.
Now this thread is 200 off topic replies of nothing but trolling.
The ability to change specs between raid bosses is the biggest downside to dualspec. It changes raid comps, makes content easier, and will actually make high-demand specs (tanks/healers) rarer because they have even fewer raid spots now.
That last line always struck me as ironic, since it’s a statement of an absolute.
Anyway, yeah some people will just ignore any negative. They don’t learn from the history of WoW. It’s just short-sighted and selfish. I had these exact same discussions when Boosts were announced. So many people said things like, “It has ZERO impact on the game. Just don’t use it if you don’t want. There are LITERALLY no downsides to the boost.” And it’s been catastrophic for TBC. And now those same people say the exact same things about dual spec. And they’ll say the exact same thing when the next hot topic takes over. And so on and so on.
Meanwhile TBC slowly and surely is transformed into a disgusting, mutated hybrid where no one is happy, no one is satisfied. Sound familiar? That’s how we got to Retail in the first place.
I learned years ago which kind of poster is worthy of discussion and which kind is only worthy of ridicule. Trolls don’t want discussion, they just want to argue in literal circles making the same nonsensical points.
Thats the fun in it =) From a starwars movie I think.
It is most unfortunate, but yeah humans are generally very selfish and short-sighted folks. They want a quick fix for everything so they can be complacent without realizing what consequences might be in store. Prime example: fast food, literally massive dopamine rush only to get diabetes in 15 years if eaten regularly. And we’re all guilty of it too is the sad part.
This is the thing though, people on the forums are generally unhappy campers. Always remind yourself when reading that these folks are the vocal minority of players. Lots of players just go about their time and just enjoy the game as is.
It wouldn’t matter, you rebuke it anyhow.
Now, because I find that argument legit I will support it. Here’s the deal. This isn’t TBCC+, I’m sure you will get a shot at that in the future. In the meantime, there are a lot of players here who wanted to play the classic versions of the game to escape the rubbish called retail. Here you guys come and insist on changes that already exist in retail. You get your changes and then what’s is left for us?
I find this to be arrogant and selfish.
Oh, that’s absolutely true. But sadly these are the people Blizzard listens to. When I talk about not learning from history, the WoW devs are the biggest perpetrators.
they’re exactly in the same universe. they both affect the game the exact same way. ease of switching specs vs ease of finding groups. almost every major change is to make something “easier”, or QoL as you say.
We know how the series of expansions plays out. We know what features were added and when. Those of us who played Vanilla on forward, watched the arguments on the forums every time a new feature was requested, or even leaked. What we’ve seen in the classic forums, has been happening on the retail forums since the game began.
What I expected was to play a frozen in time version of the game to play for a while until the next frozen in time expansion releases. Similar to those who like to slowly quest through their leveling experience, I was looking forward to smelling the roses through each expansion. I don’t want future features to come before they were meant to. I don’t want to rush to retail. I want to enjoy the journey.
I’d just like to say that this is extremely elitist. You don’t cater your game to the top 20%. That’s a lesson Everquest had to learn when people left there and came to WoW, and now retail is learning the same lesson from people leaving there and going to FF14.