You do +15s and heroic raids. How many posting here can say the same?
I recently swapped back to this hunter for my main, and re getting essences was quite a bit of a stopper. I think re earning can be fine if we could get some improvements. You unlocked rank 3 on a toon? Congratulations you can now purchase the essence on alts. Letâs use mechagon one as example: main earns rank 3 essence, alts can now just farm the parts to purchase and donât need to worry about rep to do so. Nazjatar? Earn the perls, but you no longer need to get rep and 8 k xp on followers again.
Cus those parts of getting essences again was what had me drag my feet the most. And I do re-do content alot. I guess it just felt more tedious as it felt like it was more of a pressure to get it as fast as possible, which yeah I know⊠thatâs a player problem and not a blizzard problem.
2 Likes
Look at AoTC last tier, according to wowhead 17% of players got it. For last expansionâs final tier 26%. Thatâs 1/4 the population of wow.
This is the first season with +15 giving loot which is a huge driver of how high of keys people do. 22% of people have Keystone Master which is for a timed +15. 36% have the achievement for a timed 10.
It looks like roughly 1/4 of the population of wow does what I do. With the amount of time left in the expansion I am willing to bet a lot of people get to +15 and do heroic raids.
This is arguably the most reasonable thing Blizzard could do, and should do.
I donât understand how anyone can defend the current system.
Right now itâs:
Want to play your alt? 1st you gotta grind all these essences that are time locked before becoming viable for any content, have fun!
Just imagine if we had to grind pathfinding on all alts in order for them to fly. Thatâs essentially how the current essence system works
7 Likes
Still want this more than anything else in game. I want to play some other characters, but the process of getting them to even be remotely useful in current content is daunting. Iâve done this crap 4x now. Please, for the love of god, give us some account wide essences.
4 Likes
I really gave a second look at the whole account wide essences.
Logged into my rogue. Unlocked crucible and logged out. Puff of rage smoke.
To get my rogue ( 410 ) ready to go i had to get him geared.
Heroic dungeons i embark on. 50 Min q each. I dont play during high pop hours so i guess thats what i get.
Thought id get the cape quest going
410 makes everything 10x more stressful. Why does diamond daddy not hit harder? cant he taunt for the squishy rogue.
rage quit at that moment. Came back in a hour.
When i got back i just didnt log on. i thought " i have to regrind my cape⊠my essences⊠gana just not "
Mecha grind and naz grind plus cape quest being 3 hours long⊠man doing it a second time was hard enough why even do it a third?
Seriously if blizzard dosnt address account wide essences⊠idk if i can stay subbed.
1 Like
Iâm in agreement with account wide essences.
Catching up an alt on every other front is easily done and manageable. I just boosted a horde character (Nightborne Hunter). In 17 hours of /played time, sheâs already 438 equipped, heart level 72. That was easily, easily done. No stress whatsoever. Know what she doesnât have, though? Essences. Thankfully I donât need some of the more annoying ones like Condensed Life-Force (weeks of pugging Heroic / Mythic Eternal Palace) but it is recommended to obtain Blood of the Enemy (PvP rating).
Alts would be much more manageable with account wide essences. To those that say âYou donât need them on your alts!â, thatâs fine. You can play without them if thatâs your choice. There are some of us, however, that like to put our best foot forward when we can. If I take a character into a Heroic raid, I want them as best equipped as possible. Today, that means I need rank 3 essences and some RNG goodness from the corruption effect gods. Essences are not optional for performance. Theyâre mandatory.
Method, in one of their videos, said it best.
https://youtu.be/b7F_SbnSxsc?t=260
The link is a timestamp specifically for the following point:
The players at Method love alts; whether itâs getting them raid ready or just experiencing a new class. Playing something different gives you a fresh perspective on the game and keep things fun but to play some of your alts you have to do the awful grind again and again. Sure, artifact knowledge lessens the sting of getting AP and Blizzard also gave us alt lovers a small glimpse of light early in the expansion without us not having to grind Champions of Azeroth reputation to unlock Heart of Azeroth upgrades. But that seems where it ended, especially with essences, and now with corruption. Itâs a mountain of work to get your alts ready and, lets be honest guys, itâs not a fun experience. Youâre not doing heroic or spamming Mythic+ with your friends. Nope. Youâre grinding old content gated behind weeks of monotonous dailies that offer no meaningful rewards. Personally, I would be logging into the game a lot more if I had alts to play rather than grind on.
3 Likes
One of the major complaints with Legion was the legendary system, which until the last couple of patches was just an RNG chance. Towards the end of legion, they added the currency where you could buy at least one legendary a week without having to do specific things - most things gave you the currency - 1000 a week was pretty easy to do. This was great for alts and I played several much more when this was added. Could they just do something similar for essences? I appreciate that Wow has lots of different content, but Islands and PvP especially I am not gonna do, period.
To my mind, itâs not just eliminating the grind.
Yes, that is part of it, but account progression also makes the experience of acquiring the essences more rewarding.
Something like the rank 3 mechagon essence is just depressing. Even on a single character itâs a grind. But doing that over and over? Yikes.
However, the dynamic changes if itâs an account unlock. Then it feels satisfying because you know that all of your characters will benefit.
They could even alter some of the requirements accordingly, if absolutely necessary.
A currency system wouldnât be a terrible alternative. Basically a way to target certain essences in current content and bypass the original requirements.
I donât expect that because they already added a currency for azerite gear, but itâs another idea.
Method also has a vested interest in seeing this game be a success. They would not say stuff like this unless they thought it was damaging to the product in the long run.
Blizzardâs stubbornness on essences is unbelievable at this point.
4 Likes
What is the point of having max level alts if I cant even play them unless I make the game a full time job. They should at the very least make a catch up system for essences. Or if you have X essence on your main, you get it faster on your alts. Interns can do the devs jobs better at this point.
1 Like
Yes, basically.
Blizzardâs utter stubborness about this gods awful system is damaging the game. Essences are NOT like normal power systems weâve seen before in previous expansions. Theyâre alt killers - a vital power system based around truly terrible rep/world quest grinds.
In the words of Frozen, Blizzard⊠âlet it goâ
Iâd be less upset about essences and alts if I could get the essences I want doing the content i want. Perhaps with a vendor or something.
Iâd love to gear out some of my alts, but a bunch of them need BotE or CnS. As it stands, Iâd have to torture myself for weeks of playtime to get them, and Iâd rather not. Hurts less overall to just forget they exist until SL.
If getting essences (that I have already earnt multiple times btw) was less painful I would spend considerably more hours in game and be getting through the next season of peaky blinders much slower.
Exactly, especially for 8.2 (non-current content). They should adjust:
Condensed Life Force - nerf it to make it not desirable so we donât have to do eternal palace anymore.
Rust bolt rep - cut the rep required in half, and also cut the mat requirements in half. Also allow my main to buy rep tokens to send to my alt.
Nazjatar rep - cut the rep required in half. Also cut mana pear requirements. Allow my main to buy a rep token to send to my alt.
Visions of perfection - allow us to queue for the run, and only the second half. Add it to mythic+ so you can repeat the kill multiple times per week.
Crucible of flame - provide a boost to neck level to instantly get this at rank 2. And dramatically lower AP required for rank 3.
Memory of lucid dreams - reduce follower xp needed at every rank.
Provide multiple new powerful essences in 8.3 content that can take the place of an older essence.
This thread is amazing lol.
oof youâre still alive. unfortunate.
its pleasant. toxic. but pleasant.
confirmed, did the weekly quest on 3-4 alts that could tank with ilvl 410-420 basic essence and neck lvl 35-40 ishâŠ
tanks can tank but they might struggle holding aggro if you have mains.
Lookiing back i should have said
tanks get a ride in the pouch of there dear healer. like a joey to his mama kangeroo.