What was that about ignoring bits?
Claim to be stupid all you like. You can cope just like the rest of them.
Iâm not claiming to be stupid. But I would appreciate an apology.
Appreciate away. Youâre not going to get one.
Well, thatâs just rude. You were wrong in claiming I said unfair. I deserve one. How can I argue with someone who is so unwilling to cross their line in such a small and insignificant way?
You can choose to think that if you wish.
I would apologize to you.
Hereâs my best apology.
Yes, Iâm sorry, you didnât outright say unfair. But you imply it when you reply to posts like this:
Or even closer:
unfairly have an advantage.
Honestly, I feel that I deserve an apology now.
Youâre just being petty now. Having an advantage is in itself unfair. It wouldnât be called having an advantage if it was fair. Stop being obtuse and trying to downplay what you do.
Not if the disadvantage is by choice.
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Itâs using the system the way Blizzard set it up. Just because that 5 man didnât sync their queue with 7 other 5 mans doesnât mean they âchoseâ to face your group who did. It means they are following the rules.
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But people can choose to PvP. Instead of choosing to /afk.
The premade groups arenât doing anything that a pug group canât do.
They do the same strats. They have mostly the same gear. Pugs just choose to not really play objectives. And argue with each other. Most of them arenât on voice chat, other than to talk about life. And if you really want to go down that path, you can choose to enter the in-game voice chat. You donât âneedâ to download discord. Though be prepared to be told that you donât pay their sub, so donât tell them how to play.
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So pug. You can do the same thing you are doing now according to you. Stop queue syncing and do exactly what you are telling other players to do. Lead by example.
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I do pug.
One of my toons, on Horde, sometimes runs with SaS. For those reading this from SaS, his name is Daznoolik. When Iâm on him, I bring the same zeal, donât you worry.
Most of the time Iâm on my Alliance toons, which all pug.
Why do I have to keep saying this? Do you really need the copium so badly?
Iâm not on the forums complaining about them, Iâm in game, and on the forums trying to help my teammates. Even if they donât want to be helped. Even when they donât want to win. I wonât AFK. Iâm the one making your eBGs last longer, because Iâll damn well heal Tremblade, if you force me to.
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Oof youâre right. Iâm sorry.
this is complicated and motivations will vary depending on individual. but in general most epic players tend to stick to epics and have epic focused builds and playstyles which donât always work too well in the smaller formats.
the reverse is true as well, if you take players who sit in normals/RBG/arenas all day, they end up with high win rates in their favorite content but still get rolled over if they queue into epics.
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Iâve found somewhat the same between arena and RBG players, people who are great at arenas sometimes arenât so great in RBGs and vice versa.
I know Iâm not great at either of them, but I try.
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The only people with those kinds of win rates are the guys who lead groups. Those guys are quite literally the best players in world at EBGâs and theyâve earned those wins and that percentage.
You talk about it as if simply joining a party before pressing queue magically grants a win. As if the players have no impact on the game and itâs just the way that they entered the game that gave them an illegal or underhanded advantage. You completely dismiss the players and just attribute premades winning to their being in groups.
Napoleon said that he who handles the chaos of battle better, wins. Both his own chaos and the enemies. Thatâs what group leaders do so well and thatâs why they win so much. They have developed a skill in working within their team, leading their team and figuring out what the opponents wants to do and stopping it.
Some of them make it look so easy that itâs easy to dismiss. A few raid warnings and a simple strategy doesnât look like much but if it was that easy then everyone would do it. Often the skill these guys have isnât apparent until they face another premade or a really good pug. Iâve been playing WoW since Vanilla and have every AV achievement in the game and I learned a lot a few days ago from a good leader facing another premade.
Itâs quite telling that you think someone with a 95% win rate must be cheating. Everyone worse than you is a noob and everyone better is cheater right? It might help to think about how these premade communities grew. The guys with 95% win rates got most of their wins before communities existed.
Your notion that they gain an unfair advantage from playing with a raid and thus win 95% of games is flawed. They had those win rates before the communities existed that allowed for what you imagine to happen. I remember farming Ashran achievements during the endless brawl with Karie years ago. Before Communities were added. Without a raid or queue syncing. He must of had a 99% win rate on all events during that event.
The reality is that some people are extremely knowledgable in BG and EBG mechanics and have a skill that allows them to lead pugs effectively. Communities grew around them.
Because regular BGâs are arena deathmatches writ large. EBGâs are objective based maps that reward strategy and leadership. Theyâre also easier to snowball such that small advantages can quickly become large ones which isnât possible in regular BGâs.
Regular BG wins are also at the mercy of many factors outside your control as a player. If your team is full of undergeared players and the enemy team isnât, you lose and no amount of strategy will make up for it. In EBGâs however, gear is almost meaningless. One of the people youâre decrying with near 100% winrates in some EBGâs is literally wearing a green item and many others are not Conq geared.
If youâre talking about me then I need to split hairs. Many here talk about premades is if the grouping itself gives an unfair advantage. It doesnât. 99% of premade communities are just like me, random, undergeared, not great at PvP, average players. Functionally, these communities are collections of pugs.
The advantage comes from the group leaders and that players who join these communities are generally players who are willing to follow instruction, check their ego at the door and play as a team for objectives which by and large makes them better players than average pugs. To me this is a textbook example of better players winning.
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In this case, they are.
Oh wait, do you mean they were already doing premade raids before the Communities feature was released?
Thatâs right, breathe that copium.