Envoker Hot Take is Missing Something "Tanking"

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Ah great we starting over in a different post. Guess the other was already done…
Btw nice copy/paste you have there going on with your first comment on this thread

Paladins are basically caster tanks…
They cast holy hammers, holy shields, holy consecrate, they can even be played in mid-range.

ey don’t trash talk my potential Bard class. /s

Same as all reasons for adding a tank spec…
Everything can be debunked.

The hybrid argument is from long ago.
Ever since people raged that their favorite class is not the best in all their specs.

what exactly is needed about an Evoker tank?

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Someone has to rebuttal your stupidity in all these forum threads, its kind of funny though that you are working this hard to prevent evokers from getting a 3rd spec even though it doesn’t make you lose anything at all. Your only argument is you don’t want them…again…dont play them

Frara! Ive kinda missed your really idiotic statements and assumptions but please debunk the following:

As it stands right now with the two new specs being added to the game, tanks will be the least represented role in the game in terms of spec to role ratios.

There are no mail wearing based tanks but leather wearers can tank, even tiny gnomes can tank and their bodies arent nearly as bulky and strong as a dracthyrs

There are no tanks that provide lust to a group with their base tool kit

Evokers are a hybrid class designed to utilize all the dragon aspects including black which is based of earth and defensive magic

You dont have to be at range to cast spells

adding an evoker tank tree and 3 new spell animations will be easier than designing dracthyr animations for all the other classes

Making evokers tank through passives and talents is quite possible

A significant portion of the player base wants evoker tanks, not just any class that can tank as dracthyr

Dracthyr Evokers were created from the essence of dragons, dragons are pretty tough and can tank entire raid groups. It usually takes 5-25 mobs (players) to kill 1 tank dragon boss

Evokers are dracthyr which are very much like dragons, they have hard scales, claws, razor sharp teeth, and a very strong tail. All of which are attributes for a solid tank

Deathwing made evokers to be super soldiers, they cant be super if they cant fill all the roles in a party to take down the toughest of enemies. Imagine 4 dps and 1 healer evoker going up against a boss without their evoker tank buddy…they all go splat

dont really get your point in my response to someone else’s response here since we aren’t talking about druids. The person that i was responding to made a claim that druid tanks have always sucked and didnt have a niche because of too many tank classes which was false. Buttttt just like druids evokers are a HYBRID class with great potential as caster based tanks. If you are going to quote me at least be smart enough to know what I was talking about and don’t half quote me with out putting it into context

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Interesting that you have the need to start the discussion with insults…
Seems your arguments are not as strong as you think?

Did you know the dracthyr skeleton is based on the sayaad model?
There is already a lot of animations for them.

And what is the issue with that? That would only encourage the next class to have a tank spec.
At the moment Healers are underrepresented in if you look at all the classes.

Gnome Tanks can wear heavy armor and warriors have a shield, monks have their martial arts to shuffle through blows.

Evokers were created with the magic of the aspects and the essence of mortals.
There is no essence of dragons.
Also you seem to make again the wrong comparison.
Evoker =/= dragons
They are not big quadruped flying lizards.

How do you know that?
They have scales, that is all we know.
We don’t know if they are hard… For all that matters they could be soft, as they are more humanoid as the usual dragon.

Again Neltharion.
They wer created to support the real dragons as soldiers. And for that they have the perfect roles. Real dragons in the front line and evokers the back line.

You failed to answer one question:

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Yep at half the range of all the other casters you would think the plan would be to be ranged you know.

I mean the Cata crit shield Bear was fun even if it made no sense thematically.

Bad news that doesn’t happen, or at least not any high frequency. Best is probably something along the lines of “Hey John seeing a lot of replies on these threads about playable murlocs. Might wanna make a note”

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I’ve always thought it would be cool if Demon Hunters got a ranged DPS spec themed around throwing their glaives. Not only would that be a unique theme to them and not really step on other class toes, but I think it would look awesome! :smiley:

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There are people that have never tanked before and will try it out and actually stick with it, though it would likely need to be beyond easy. However, the role of tanking is done by people that like to fill that role. It is more likely that any “new” tanks that are envokers were already playing a tank in another class.

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Your arguments are pretty invalid with double standards and flawed logic. IDK how many different ways I can tell you this in every thread you want to respond to me on. you still havent made a single valid argument against an evoker tank other than you dont want it and would rather be a monk dracthyr.

Link the proof if you say it would be easier than adding animations for 3 pure tanking spells and designing a tank tree

Healers are not under represented, as of right now healers and tanks are tied for spec to role ratio. IF you add a healer then tanks would be the least represented.

Cool, Evokers have their magic

Cool, still very much capable of being tanks and fit thematically

lol

Calling neltharion deathwing is essentialy the same thing in relaying the point, he made them before being corrupted…cool…they can still tank

If you have been paying attention I listed many reasons why they should have a third spec and why that spec should be tank, but you have failed to debunk a single one

Now to remind you of your flawed logic

“Dracthyr evoker are no full dragons…
They walk upright and expose the weak/soft belly.”

Also you,

“Also Monks can breath fire… Sweep the enemy, attack with claws (ok fists)
So Dracthyr monk would be a great addition.”

You clearly want a Dracthyr monk which still exposes “soft underbelly.” IF Dracthyr monks can tank so can evoker tanks

Which btw, why did you stop responding to that thread and running away to other threads you didn’t think I was in to shut you down?

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Same to you …
You have not made a valid argument for evoker tanks besides “Uh dragons are tanky”
So Dracthyr can be tanky, as Monk or Warrior

If you read what I said Healers are underrepresented in regards to classes.
We have 5 Healer classes and 6 Tank classes.
3 of which share both roles.
Adding Evoker as Healer/DD class would make it even in regards to 3 classes with shared roles, 3 classes with “specialized” roles aka 3 tanks/DD and 3 Heal/DD

nothing to add here?

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Ive listed several now, im not going to keep typing them out just because you dont want to comprehend that they are valid arguments for evokers getting a third spec and for that third spec to be tank. If you were paying attention at all I asked you to debunk a list of reasons why they should be tanks, all of which you failed to debunk unlike your arguments. Never once have I dismissed the idea that dracthyr should eventually be able to roll other classes, that is not an argument against evokers getting a tank spec but rather a secondary solution that can run CONGRUENT to evokers getting a tank spec. You also mistake me shutting you down for wanting to convince you. I really dont. The only people I am trying to convince of the idea are the developers that read these forums. So far you just want to talk against but put almost no thought into the far fetched things you claim lol

again there are currently 6 healer specs to 6 tank specs, adding preservation makes it 7 to 6, adding a tank spec keeps them equally represented. Furthermore as it currently stands main tank players will play evokers because they are the new thing, not having a tank spec for them runs the chance of losing even more tank representation.

[quote=“Frara-blood-furnace, post:148, topic:1330035”]

plural noun: scales

each of the small, thin horny or bony plates protecting the skin of fish and reptiles, typically overlapping one another.

So you think we dont know if scales are hard or soft lol? they are scales, by definition they are hard and PROTECTIVE. If YOU say they aren’t it is as simple as Blizzard saying they are lol

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so you want bone armor

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the comprehension is strong in this one ^ kek

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THIS. Omg, give them a tanking spec already. GEEZ! Nothing like my DRAGON running around punting gnomes with THUNDERFURY and a GIANT SHIELD. HUAAAA!

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It’s just amazing to me all this crying about Evokers not being able to be tanks.

I only play ranged classes so FINALLY having the first new class that ISN’T bloody melee is exciting … and I didn’t come to the forums when DK’s, Monks, and DH’s were added crying “WAAAAAAAAH I want them to have a ranged spec!”

“But Dragons are tanky” … yes and so what?

DH could have easily had a ranged crossbow wielding spec.
DK could have had Frost or Unholy gone full ranged given that some of their abilities are at range anyway
Monks could have channeled Chi or whatever they use to attack at a distance.

We have a new ranged class that’s ONLY ranged. I’m sure Bliz will listen to all the melee-whining and the next 3 new classes will all be melee. Give us ranged players this one shining moment in years to get excited about (knowing we’ll likely never get one again).

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Keep you’re class I want the race to be able to tank.

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So you want Dracthyr to be able to get another class?

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Computer says nooooo …

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squints nope no blue text opinion is only equally valid.

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And they already said that someday they might open up Darkthyr to other classes. Patience is the word of the day (it ain’t happening when DF hits).

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only said they look into it.
no real confirmation yet

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Shhhh … i’m trying to give hope where there might be none lol