To raids, specifically, yes. I’ve always maintained that most specs work well enough in dungeons because CC, utility, and versatility are more useful there.
No, not at all. Dual-wield/2H tanking isn’t sub-par. That’s the point of doing it.
Well it happens, we shoudnt all assume everyone can handle a dagger tank because even though two daggers is good rage it does get beaten up easily at times.
is this thread real? DW or 2h tanking is the best form of tanking dungeons. 30min strat ud runs
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Lol, you wanna be a real manly tank? Roll a Bear tank and do healerless runs. Runs are actually faster for me if I max out my tanking ability and bring a 4th dps instead of a healer. Been working beautifully so far into Uldaman.
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So much anger…and entitlement.
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Now I know you are trolling.
Plasmax has been quite clear that it was the healer’s suggestion for her to go 2-handed fury. The healer didn’t carry her and her fury spec generated more aggro and threat than if she were one handed with shield.
Plasnax wasn’t a pretend tank. She was a tank.
My favorite part of Vanilla WoW, outside of raiding, was being in a group with the Fury Warrior Surmight who was tanking while duel wielding with a Thunderfury, doing sub 20 minute Baron Strat Runs.
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Off topic: How does one spec a shaman tank and how do they hold aggro?
I’m asking because the idea is interesting to me. 
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Maybe a bit of perspective,
I’ve mained a healer since WoW was…WoW.
I looked forward to healing well managed runs with properly geared sword and board tanks.
I also decided I would try tanking. I’ve never leveled a warrior and this is a good time to do it.
I ran an SFK on my new tank with proper sword/shield set up.
Rage was nearly non-existent. Mobs got yanked off me constantly.
We were all lowish for the end of the instance and wiped several times. Next night, same group tried again. I told the priest I was going to try it 2 handed axe. I also told her to let me know if I’m too squishy.
result: I had rage, I kept aggro, we cleared the place with barely a water break.
Priest commented I was a little more squishy but she wasn’t trying to heal while getting hit all night. Same group so skill wasn’t a variable. Different out come.
My healing experience has been some 2 hand tanks rock. Others not so much.
Most shield wearers are struggling once more than 3 mobs get pulled. That said, if we’re facing a lot of casters, I prefer a shield wearer for the interrupts. It’s rare for me to see DPS interrupting.
In fact I had one scream at me about him being DPS and interrupting is not his job… it lowered hs DPS.
tl:dr 2 hand tanks who are actually tanking and not just filling a spot can have more rage and thus tank better.
Shield wearers are useful in given situations. This changes I suspect as we get to harder dungeons.
My perspective is changed since trying the dark side.
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It’s not acceptable for DPS warriors to pretend to tank in Retail. Why is it suddenly acceptable in Classic?
Well I do it on my multiboxing comp.
Whatcha gon’ do about it, huh? How are ya gon’ “give me the boot”, huh?
Youd think as a dual-wielder, you could parry attacks more often… I mean, cross those swords maces or axes up and parry or block that incoming attack… just saying.
Maybe ive watched too much Fate Stay/Night lately and have high hopes for what Emiya was able to do as a dual-wielder…
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Heh. Its 1.12 where anything goes. But hey, id rather have a chain pulling run thats plenty fast and not have the healer waste his money drinking pots and drink. If i was the healer id prefer that.
People who think if it works then you can do it, seem to be the same people who think that if youre an off spec, and doing dps, youre being carried. Same can be said of a non sword n board tank. Thats hypocritical.
Oh and btw, private server isnt vanilla. Doubtful most played, like really played vanilla. Starting on patch 1.10 and creating 10 alts doesn’t count. Neither if you were a kid learning how to play.
I tanked heroics as a Fury Warrior dualwielding 2 handers just fine back in LK thank you very much…
(But then again, i was decked out in BIS 10 man gear… shrugs
You sound like a bad healer and I’m sure you get the boot plenty more often than 2h/DW tanks.
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Yeah, but FuryProt really shouldn’t be a thing until phase 3 when the gear comes along to support it. Asmongold saw Skarm’s video on how to do it, decided he’d jump and try it in phase 1, and now everybody thinks it’s just the way to go. Unless you are fully talented and have the gear for it (or are facerolling content,) healers are gonna rightfully hate you for doing it.
EDIT: I hadn’t read most of the thread and didn’t realize we were talking mainly about sub-50 content, here. For levelling dungeons, yeah, prot and shield is isn’t great and is unnecessary. It sounds like this is mainly a pally healing issue rather than a tank one.
warriors do not need prot sword n board spec until 50+, before that if they are a decent player they should have no issues tanking 5mans.
They only class that can level in a tanking spec is druid.
My only issue with that is hypocrisy. People say its ok to not sword and board need to be quiet when saying suboptimal specs are being carried. Because both are.
Both can be pulled off but neither is optimal.
If my healer sitting there with a full mana bar and we are chain pulling, im a happy tank.
You can fill the tank role without a shield. Bear Druid does it just fine.
I do a little bit of both. I am only 40, but I’m 0/31/0 Fury and I have tanked everything up to this point. Definitely don’t need a tank spec, and honestly I’ve enjoyed having Flurry and Enrage as threat tools more than I would have cared to have the defensive tree garbage. I’m sure that will change soon, but I’m not there yet.
Sometimes you need to put a shield on, but most instances I’ve tanked I could have just as easily put on an offhand. Things in Classic just don’t hit hard enough to NEED a shield all the time.