Managing threat is my job how about you learn to manage your mana and not have 60% overheal or waste mana healing the warlock who has nearly life tapped himself to death
How about stop trying to tell players how you want them to play
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If you are wearing a shield at low levels, you won’t have enough rage to sunder until about 15 seconds into the pull. that’s the whole point of the argument.
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Unless the warrior is taking enough damage it requires more healing than the healer can handle, what’s the issue?
I will tell them to get rid of the shield if they are struggling with threat. I prefer the mob(s) hit a warrior in mail/plate and no shield than hit a cloth/leather wearer and so should you.
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charge (gain 18 rage), stance dance, sunder? You can get sunders pretty fast…
And if your talking about multi target you throw a battleshout in there after stance dance but before sunder and it takes an extra two seconds. So your talking about like 4 seconds and 6 seconds respectively.
Not sure about you but my charge at level 24 only generates 9 rage, not 18.
Just run with a bear. They are better tanks in phase 1 anyway. Tell them to get improved thorns and watch the aoe awesomeness.
I tanked ZF with ravager axe as a shaman. If you have a team that works well together, you can get by with just having one dps initiate.
Especially at lower levels, when equipping a shield only gives a minor increase to mitigation while not contributing dps or gaining aggro.
I guess that is why you don’t see many tanks in instances anymore, but bears. People are sick of the bullsh%t. A bear can handle mara with no problems, and no drama queen bs about 2 hand tanking lol.
The warrior can buy me mana juice then. And not the kind from 10 levels ago.
I will not switch to a one handed weapon.
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The tank is saving your time, the increased threat and damage will make the instance shorter.
The instance is not shorter when the healer is oom from spamming heals on a Tank that is under the mobs level and losing 15-30% health per hit. Please stop making excuses for horrible players, because that is exactly what this is about.
I am all for tanks using a 2H when they are at or a couple levels higher than the mobs/boss. I am all for tanks using a 2H when they know what they are doing. I am NOT for a 2H warrior when they spent 20 minutes watching Skrom on youtube and think they are now all that and then some, sorry… and thats at least HALF of the warriors I have healed in classic. Just had another in Mara, 2h battle stance with a spirit cloak, charges in to the first 5 pack and the only way to keep his noob behind alive is regrowth spam…
Learn to play children, please.
You cant just 2H it and G2G. Skrom doesnt just 2H without some skill and putting a little time, effort, and GOLD into it. We have MIN-MAXers who have the GEAR needed to be able to 2H effectively, meanwhile all the wanna-be zoomers have little skill and awareness, crap gear, but think they are doing everyone a favor?
GIVE ME A BREAK…
I can cast DPS spells as heals too, will make the dungeon go faster AMIRITE??? Who cares if I have the mana for it, the tank can just drink pots. That is your logic, and its pretty selfish. But please, all knowing DPS players, continue to tell me how it is my responsibility to keep up a TANK (you know, that person designated to take damage in a party) who is not mitigating damage appropriately, therefore not fulfulling the role he/she signed up for in the first place.
If you, as DPS or Tank, have invested as much gold into gear and pots as I have for mana pots and drinks for times when there wasnt a mage around, the run would go faster too. You are all trying to put this off on the healer when it is the tanks role to mitigate dmg at the end of the day. We already have a tanking shortage… keep it up and you wont have any healers either.
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Imagine doing a dungeon slower because the healer is drinking before every pull.
F**k me, right?
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Thats funny, my guildies were telling me last night that the ONLY UBRS runs they want to go on are my drunk godzilla cleave 4 warrior windfury runs. All the ranged dps pretty much afked
This is quite an ignorant blanket statement… it relies on the assumption that every warrior ever to tank a dungeon had the skill, level, awareness, and gear in order to tank appropriately.
I have to wonder what lvl you are talking about.
I ‘tanked’ wailing caverns as a shaman. Ive healed too. Im speced enhancement. As long as you can use all your skills in any spec it doesnt matter what you are speced as. And as for sheilds, is a warriors 2 hander(their main leveling weapon) is better at generating threat than their current 1 hander they should use it. Better to have to heal the tank a bit more than heal all the dps a lot.
Besides, a warrior tank is going to roll on dps gear no matter what, un upgrade is an upgrade.
It’s classic, there are like 5 buttons you press…
Again… there are a ton of horrible warriors out there. A ton of horrible dps out there. A ton of horrible healers out there. If a dps is slacking, it doesnt hurt the group as bad. If you have a bad tank, it creates problems. Ive had tanks not taunt off me getting whacked in bear form right next to them…
So again, you are assuming right off the bat people know how to play or are even mildly OKAY at their class/role/spec, which is not always the case. The middle-of-the-pack warrior needs to board up once they are deciding to tank Princess runs at 46. But please, go on and tell me how I am wrong. I will wait.
And its classic… what does that even mean? The lowbie dungeons in retail are more faceroll than classic dungeons, the number of effective abilities used while tanking is not that much different than retail, but the mistakes are unforgiving in classic, especially while leveling. The threat table is much more difficult to manage, ppl need to manage their mana, all in all I would say doing a Mara run in retail is MUCH EASIER with heirlooms so… what exactly are you comparing this to? You seem extremely confused.
Have had 0 issues healing two hand tanks.
Although they have all been guildies so can’t speak for pugs.