Plenty of great tanks out there who can do it… just as many who can barely tank at all though, 2H or shield.
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Because out of the last 4 duel wield tanks I have grouped with, one actually kept aggro. 25% is not a winning percentile to justify it.
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Pretty much summed up most of my argument. But one error, DPS would NEVER play heals or tank.
My best runs have been with warriors without a shield. Been healing my whole way to 60 on my resto druid.
Sure, and those runs are great! But there are plenty of baddies, and one should not ignore that fact.
1st, you don’t even need a tank if you out level the instance because the stuff dies so fast it does less damage.
We, as (5) 45’s did a full SM clear with no tank.
True.
Also true: if you are tanking an instance where the first trash mob is higher lvl than you and you are not 100% certain you know what you are doing, its a PUG, you have an average healer (who might ALSO be offspec), and it is not stockade, you should probably go ahead and equip that sheild which was, you know, meant for tanks.
Indeed. It’s all about using that noggen (fogger)
We can pretty much thank streamers and their uninformed following for giving the community this false impression of casuals being able to do what competitive gamers do.
You dont just see this with tanks. Mages and their OMG MAX XP AOE FARM are just as bad these days, just to give one example.
Reminds me of the soccer moms I used to referee at the YMCA, they would play in a 30+ league once a week and were god awful, but you can bet they went out and spent hundreds upon hundreds of dollars for the outfit and Ronaldo cleets because they want to bend it like Beckham. Always a good laugh, noobs who try to MIN/MAX but they dont even have the basics down. How about the tank and dps drink a few defensive/offensive elixirs, that will speed up the run quite a bit, but OH I know, that would cost you a few silver, we cant expect that now can we… but if the tank is taking so much damage the healer needs to drink mana pots and burn through stacks of water, well, that is on the healer every time no ifs ands or buts?
What a joke. Seriously. WHAT A JOKE. Half of you replying here are beyond selfish or just downright clueless… and the best part is, you think you are right 
You are probably the same crowd that simply opens a trade window whenever you see a mage. My favorite type of WoW player… CHEAP, ENTITLED, and NO BRAINS. Retail is that way 
go back to your sparkling mount and loot parade where you can pull 20 mobs without breaking a sweat. If you decide to stay here, please educate yourselves before making claims that only apply to the upper-end minority of the community. This tanking issue is not black or white - there are many variables that go into this, and you are all making wild generalizations based on heresay, a few successful runs, and a healer putting in double the effort.
No, many of us are speaking from experience. We’re in post Naxx Patch. You can look back at all the changes that started to come in the game from 1.6-1.12 and beyond. Many changes, Quality of Life, Nerfs on several instances, Elites etc.
Just because you’re not capable, does not mean others are not and has nothing to do with retail.
My runs go amazing when we have a half decent tank, usually no need to even drink and not a problem that Druid has a 30 min CD on Res considering when we have a tank who isnt a noob nobody seems to die, but thanks for your concern. I will repeat myself for you since you seem to have just not read or comprehended the material before replying… I have no problem with 2H if the tank knows what he is doing, he is level appropriate / has half decent greens. Just because you or I know how to play does not mean others are not making mistakes… great logic there. IM GUD AND IS EZ 4 ME PLUS NERFS = EVERY1 DUING GUD AND IS EZ 4 ALL.
Some tanks are bad. Some healers are bad. If either one is bad, a sheild may be beneficial. I dont need to stroke my ego, if I am the bad healer then yeah, the few runs where the under leveled tank didnt have a sheild - he should have equipped one. If it was the tank who was bad, same story (he didnt keep aggro with a 2H either, throw a bad lock in the mix who gets aggro every pull and cant assist targets and you have yourself a nightmare run of spamming heals). That is EXACTLY what is being discussed here… people are are INCAPABLE of tanking with a 2H because their level or gear are complete garbage in comparison to the instance being run.
But hey, keep painting with that broad brush. Really, I am very impressed with how well thought out your argument was presented. 10/10
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Wait wut … people aren’t playing their characters the way you think they should? ZzzzzzzOOOmmmmggg.
Don’t worry, since I’m the 2h wannabe tank groups are easy for me to form, and I never invite pally’s cause I don’t like loot competition… suckaaaa.
You do know that top guilds are using dual wield warriors as tanks in raids, right?
You do know that most guides recommend tanking low level dungeons with 2h weapons as a warrior, right?
You wouldn’t happen to just be projecting something you’ve heard other people say over the last decade about how tanking was back in Vanilla? Hmmm?
You do know that top guilds are using dual wield warriors as tanks in raids, right?
Top guilds using dual wield warriors =/= anyone can tank PUGS as a dual wield warrior.
You do know that most guides recommend tanking low level dungeons with 2h weapons as a warrior, right?
low level dungeons
Tell that to my last level 46 warrior tanking a Princess run. And guides have always been right, mhm.
You wouldnt happen to just be projecting something youve heard people say over the last few months about how tanking is done by streamers today? Hmmm?
Fixed your comment.
This is a very poor attempt at an argument. Come back when you’ve got an actual rebuttal to discuss.
No way in hell did you clear UBRS with a tank that wasn’t using a shield. Drakkisath would absolutely destroy them.
You are the one using an argument from authority (argumentum ab auctoritate), also called an appeal to authority , or argumentum ad verecundiam… a form of defeasible argument in which a claimed authority’s support is used as evidence for an argument’s conclusion…
But my argument is poor?
Please tell me you are joking. Your argument is one of the most well known logical fallacies. You dont even have an argument… you are clueless and point the finger to people who you believe to be better than yourself, those people being streamers who more often than not won nothing other than a popularity contest, guides written by min/maxers that only sometimes apply to your average WoW player, and guilds that are so successful because they have nothing but time, practice, and chemistry together, going in with a mindset of WINNING and putting EVERYTHING into it instead of enjoying the game casually like 90% of the player base does… and thats not even getting into skill or knowledge of the game.
MEANING: Your generalized ideology does not apply well to everyone. Having average players try to pull off stuff streamers do, while in a PUG… I am sorry to burst your bubble… but you have to be very slow in the head to believe that is a good idea. Can some things from streamers and hardcore guilds be carried over to the majority? Sure. Should everything streamers and hardcore guilds do be done by the majority? Definitely not. Is there a difference between PUG runs and guild runs? Is the sky blue?
Hows that for a rebuttal.
I saw this coming: TipsOut did his deep delve with Skarm who did a brilliant job as always explaining the build, Asmo is starting to switch over I believe, thus its popular.
I am fine with Skarm’s Dual Wield setup…for the right raid group, like he repeats a dozen times
I have two warriors on classic ( trust me, I know how crazy I am)
One warrior is for you - the people - designed to endure PUGs, and to deep prot tank past 40 (jeebus yes I know 2H is just fine, arms threat blah please stop pretending this is somehow hot news, but I digress). Its my favorite spec, forever. The sunder machine: it aint sexy, but makes people feel safe and gets the job done. (14/5/32)
My other warrior is leveling balanced arms-heavy then 60 respec to The ‘Hotness’ (0/31/20) This warrior can only shine with elite vet platers who are geared and know how the fury tank can make it faster.
The speedrun fury DW meta will suck Gordo’s pasty cheeks for tanking until 60 and even then you’ll kill your PUG friends.
So I agree with OPs concerns, despite aiming to build one myself.
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Yes and no. It’s annoying AF but I’m not going to kick anyone for it. Tanks are too damn hard to find and they know it.