I mean you literally said I had no idea what I was talking about because DW tanks don’t have sweeping strikes. When I was talking about 2h tanking the entire time, along with at least a dozen other people in this thread.
You jumped into this thread halfway through, blew your hubris load everywhere and now you won’t backtrack, that’s fine, but stop talking to me like I’m an idiot when it was your mistake all along.
I’m just glad that nobody I’ve met who’s 60 actually thinks like this
Whatever helps you sleep at night. Haha.
I never said it wasn’t a consideration. In fact, what I said implied the opposite:
You need less hit to make 2H tanking work. If you’re not as geared, you should probably be tanking with a 2H Arms/Prot build instead of Fury/Prot.
Nope. You’re a Druid. You can’t even play the spec in the first place.
I’m saying you don’t understand what you’re talking about and you keep saying the build can’t be justified despite the obvious evidence to the contrary.
If it couldn’t be justified, it wouldn’t be such a widespread “problem” that people were making threads about it.
When’s the last time you saw a thread saying “I’m so sick of these Ret Paladins! I see them everywhere, and their DPS sucks!” Rhetorical question; the answer is never, because no one sees enough Ret Paladins for that to ever happen.
By contrast, the dual-wield/2H tanking is a common thing. Why? Because it’s better. Metas (yes, this is the new meta for Warrior tanking in dungeons, by the way, whether you like it or not) do not form around strategies that suck.
Revenge is good for keeping threat. Not getting it. Let’s take a full prot warrior with sword and board. There is a pack of three mobs.
You pull with your bow/gun/whatever and LoS (no point in charging since you don’t have TM). You auto once and get hit 3 times for about 15 rage total so you shield block and revenge one. The mage in your party hits a mob you haven’t touched yet and instantly rips threat. You proceeded to attempt to taunt it back and it may or may not resist. You also at this point still haven’t hit mob #3 so it could run after your healer and your taunt is still on cd.
Now let’s take an Arms Warrior. You CAN charge and/or intercept in for rage on pull (since you have tactical mastery), use whirlwind and potentially sweeping strikes with your massive two hander to establish threat on all the mobs and then switch to def stance and/or sword and board if you actually need it to mitigate damage. Usually def stance is enough especially if you are using Ravager Axe from Herod since the mobs will be long dead before you.
By that I mean it existed far before you knew about it 
You said an arms warrior. So we’re obviously not talking about 60 dungeons or serious specs
This thread is about DW tanking, but I’ve never even heard of a 2h tank so I’m sure there’s a reason i.e. it’s terrible. And you’re alliance which destroys any other justification I could have
I’m a druid but I’ve leveled 3 60 warriors.
I follow the best tanks in the world, and I’ve never heard them even mention 2h tanking.
Also, I’ve never seen or even heard about a warrior 2h or DW tanking in phase one besides Asmongold doing it for memes.
You didn’t discover some sort of hidden OP meta. There’s a reason why nobody does it, because it’s terrible. First thing that comes to mind is inconsistant threat, there’s a reason why tanks use fast 1hers against slow. let alone a 2h.
Not saying for or against sword and board. But wouldn’t it be something if they put a shield drop in UBRS named “Leeroy’s Redemption.” maybe they have already done something like this. He was a paladin anyways, not a warrior, but he did have the spirit. hehe
Yeah I agree mostly. The problem is in terms of efficiency im healing far more than I should which means im drinking far more than I should. This means uptime isn’t consistent, but is instead bursts of people doing DPS/losing mass HP, and then tons of downtime. This isn’t overall faster, and is honestly just putting all the brunt of carrying the dungeon on the healer so people can look leet on DPS meters.
Its a very crappy way of playing the game and goes against many of its own systems. I personally just quit healing PUBs now and im seeing a lot of healers do the same. Eventually these Go,Go,GO! PULL ALL DUNGEON!! 3 MAGE CLEAVE OP OMFG!!! groups will die off into their own little niches as healers and tanks get fed up with trying to carry them while they do L33T DPS.
It just reeks of Retail players attempting to Mythic+ run every dungeon because they have no capacity to play normally. Beyond this I cant count how many times these types of groups have wiped and caused even further loss in their supposed goal of EXP per hour, it just ends up being EXP and time wasted for an overly stressful and braindead playing experience that has little upside in your typical pub group.
This is a ridiculous opinion and should be ignored. As a healer I concur: Ban all 2h tanks if you’re doing anything harder than Stockades.
ahh tank advice from a non-tank. Will file this information under ‘Moronic advice’
So if you have a warrior, specced arms, with a 2 hander, that can hold aggro on mobs and not push their healer to the limit, you’d insist they put on a sword and shield to fulfill your idea of what ‘should be’. Fells like Troll thread
Healer choice, my pocket priest insists I 2-hand it because otherwise he’s bored. Obviously a decent tank has his shield and sword one macro press away though, for those times we actually NEED it.
My thoughts exactly. This whole 2h tanking or DW tanking meme is based around the idea of min-maxing damage to the fullest extent and getting the fastest clear times, but they failed to realize that 2H/DW tanking results in a stressed out and OOM healer. Without 55 water in the game this would negate or even draw out the run beyond just doing it normally.
The only situation I can see this as halfway viable is firstly, being actually horde for windfury, the fact that two alliance characters are talking about 2h tanking is even more cringe; and secondly, being in a leveling spellcleave group where there really isn’t a “tank” anyways and most agro is on the mages.
I didn’t think people actually existed that seriously thought this was viable at 60.
When we reach like phase 3 and you’re guild running with your MT and hes got full T2 with quickstrike and 8% hit in his tank gear, sure, go ahead and run DW if you want. But even then, he’s gonna have Engi shield and Drillborer with ret aura and thorns and thorium spike and engi, so it’s probably still better to run with a shield and double pull packs instead
Cool. But you’re not a Warrior now, so why would I be telling you to learn to play the spec?
Nothing I said had anything to do with telling you to learn to play a spec that isn’t even for your class. That was my point.
Who are the best tanks in the world, out of curiosity?
Guess that means he’s the only one! /s
Of course it’s not hidden. Everyone knows about it. Thus this thread exists. Use your brain for a moment. Haha.
Nobody does it, except the OP has seen so many people doing it they went out of their way to make a thread about it, and there’s dozens of other similar threads.
Use bigger, more mana efficient heals. Or, if you have +Healing, use lower ranks to get more HPM.
It is faster, actually. That’s sort of the whole point.
I can understand how healers would be the ones most opposed to it, though. They don’t like having to actually heal as often. Far too stressful for them.
My statement stands. Haha. Trust me, no one cares that a few lazy healers don’t want to heal DW/2H tanks. They’ll just find better healers and clear the content way faster.
But hey, if you can’t handle healing unless all but one mob is CC’d, the tank is wearing a shield and using cooldowns, well… maybe my statement was made for you.
Except this is the norm, now. Sorry, but the people CCing every pack and crying about tanks using dual-wielding or two-handed weapons are the abnormal ones these days.
There’s really no reason you should be wiping unless:
A) You can’t heal well enough.
B) The tank is bad at pulling and pulls too many mobs at once.
C) The DPS are really, REALLY bad and you go OOM trying to keep the tank alive when the fights should really be lasting a few seconds at most.
I very quickly reached a point where I’m wearing DPS gear, nearly halving my armor, just so I do more DPS and hold better threat, because I was taking so little damage I wasn’t gaining any rage from being hit.
It’s most viable at 60. You start getting a lot more gear to accommodate the playstyle.
You really love this word.
so your just gonna kick the tank right in the middle of a mc fight?
You will be fine if you mark the kill order and people follow it.
No problem. I’ll clear my runs faster than you.
You show me your holy priest that can heal dw/2h warriors and I’ll show you mine. 
Yeah keep booting 2h tanks and you’ll end up with never having a tank in your group, since everyone tanks with 2h/DW nowadays. And those who are fully prot don’t pug since they’re already geared or do it with guild, and shield tanking isn’t as fun as 2h/dw tanking.
Yikes, don’t take it so personally that I am disagreeing with you and explaining to everyone why you’re incorrect.
First of all, if the healer has to continously drink after every pull that adds way more time than the extra dps from the tank having a 2h. Let’s say the healer has to drink 20 times in a dungeon (which isn’t an exxageration when some moron does this 2h tank stuff), that adds 10 minutes to the dungeon. Idk about you but 10 minutes is enough time for me to clear a whole dungeon or most of one.
Second of all, a tank with a shield I can heal as he pulls way more packs than a 2h tank and still not run out of mana, and just have the group AoE. This goes MUCH faster than having a 2h tank.
You’re just completely wrong in every way 2h tanking isn’t good and it never will be.
Oh okay so people forget everything about a subject when they stop doing it.
You’re also a druid, so basically what you’re saying is you should stop talking?
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Again this thread is about DW tanking.
Must be a leveling meta thing, I don’t do spellcleave. Regardless at 60 it isn’t relevant
Oh okay, so now you’re telling healers how to heal. Yikes dude just yikes.
Outside of meme spellcleave groups it isn’t or it would be done regularly.
I literally can’t imagine thinking this way. Most warriors are in blues, they will get wrecked in any real dungeon with a 2h on or DW. All of this comes back to gear, whatever argument you’re trying to make is irrelevant
It’s not at all, again I’ve never even heard of 2H tanking, and DW tanking is a thing only around AQ when it’s actually needed because of threat ceilings and the gear makes it possible
Again blaming the healer. Anyone but the TANK NOT WEARING A SHIELD
Yikes.
That’s enough cringe for me, I wouldn’t take you for your attitude alone let alone entertain watching you try tanking with a 2H lmao
They’re actually worse tanks, objectively speaking. All you whiners talk about is “but I do MOAR damage and OMG threat.” Here’s a clue, Sherlock:
Tanking was never about damage until the end of Wrath when they pushed the “tank through damage” mantra. That’s consequently when I stopped tanking because it was no longer fun. Instead of playing the tanking game, you’re just another DPS. Lame. Pre-idiotic design move, tanking was about innate threat values, mitigation, and avoidance. And for real tanks, that’s the joy in tanking. Anyone who wants to do their “mad DPS” as a tank is filling the wrong role. Period.
If tanks can’t hold threat in leveling dungeons while wearing a shield, they’re terrible. That’s right. Being a terrible tank and just saying “eff it, I’ll just DW [or go 2H]” doesn’t make one great. It means you failed. You failed to adapt to the role you choose to fill. And it makes you the converse of a “vastly superior” tank. I can work with someone who’s trying to legitimately learn to tank. But to not even try is unacceptable.
In other words, terrible wanna-be tanks in this thread that continually try to shift the blame for them being terrible onto their group mates.
No, there are still real tanks that play Classic. Only the bads trying to emulate Asmongold insist on 2H/DW tanking everything. And your last statement only solidifies what I’ve been saying all along. These bads don’t enjoy tanking. They abhor it. And that’s just one more reason they should join as DPS and not a tank. If they did that, and actually did their mad DPS, then they wouldn’t be bads.
Ah I see, so this is Asmongold hate thread. Hate to break it to you, but 2h tanking was first done in Classic by Apes’s main warrior (possibly guild master too), ones who killed Ragnaros first, ones who min-max, so if the best Classic players around do 2h tanking, then 2h tanking is superior, and they’re the “real tanks”. Shield tanks struggle with threat and pull mob by mob.
And newsflash, any half-decent healer gets bored healing your “real tanks”. And is even more annoyed when they lose aggro due to low rage generation.