So wait the warrior is now arms and not Fury/Prot?
Now I have even more questions.
cringe intensifies
Correct. At any level below 40 most warriors will be arms and be using 2 handers because anger management and sweeping strikes are the best leveling talents warriors get.
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A tank needs to put out some bare minimum of DPS to maintain aggro (and for warriors, to generate rage). Being a tank is balancing aggro generation and mitigation to meet the needs of the situation at hand and one of the tools to generate threat is raw damage. Often times getting the balance correct will require the use of a shield. Other times it will actually require a 2 hander or dual wielding.
Whether a tank needs to slap on sword and board to tank at any given moment is situational. Easy pulls where the healer is free to just wand and my health regens back while I’m moving to the next pull? DW or use a 2 hander. 3+ mobs, bosses, or instances where I’m underleveled for tanking? Sword and board. If I’m having problems maintaining aggro and it doesn’t stretch my healer’s mana too much, I’ll even DW while tanking 3+ mobs - personally I find that DW provides more steady, consistent aggro even if it is less DPS simply because the RNG is far less likely to screw you for 6 seconds straight with two faster weapons than one slow weapon.
My wife is my healer. There have been multiple times where she has been surprised when informed that I was wearing a shield because my hp dropped so quickly, and an equal number of times that she was surprised that I was NOT wearing a shield because of how little damage I was taking relative to her expectations based on number of mobs.
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Pretty easy.
More DPS.
More rage, more abilities, more threat.
More damage to tank, less damage to others.
Mobs die faster, healer saves mana.
Runs are faster.
It’s a thing already, bud. It’s been a thing for a while. You don’t need good gear to do it, and the reasons for doing it are valid at all gear levels.
Better gear doesn’t make it possible; it makes it even better.
Streamers are copying better players that have been doing it well before they were.
Maybe in your groups, I guess.
Most of my groupmates are full pre-raid BiS or better.
I’m not sure why you keep bringing Druids into this.
The thread is about Warriors. “Bring a Druid” is not a valid response to a strategy specifically for Warriors.
Are Druids better than dual-wield/2h tanks? Debatable. But so what? The OP was talking about Warriors needing to equip a shield, not that they needed to reroll Feral because it was better.
If you’re leveling or undergeared, yes, Arms is better.
The only cringe is your fundamental lack of understanding, yet your fervent attempts to act superior. You clearly have no idea why these builds are so good.
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oh okay we’re strictly talking about spellcleave groups. Isn’t threat on the mages most of the time anyways? So the “tank” is a DPS
Sure, whatever, you do you boo.
But keep that cringe out of real level 60 dungeons
Not if you’re dual-wield/2h tanking.
This times 1 thousand. Ravid clearly has no understanding of Warrior tanking or talents but that hasn’t stopped him making dozens of posts criticising people who do.
Considering a dw warrior, which is what is the discussion, is likely fury specced, they’re not going to have sweeping strikes, the arms 21 point talent, unless they forgo bloodthirst.
Do you even warrior?
I didn’t realize this thread was about meme spellcleave groups I thought this was an actual serious discussion
Just checked the thread title, it’s clearly about both.
Do you even read the title? Entitled dual-wielding/2H “tanks”
See how it also says “2H”?
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These guys are memeing disregard
The only meme is the people like yourself who get upset over the new strategies that get adopted to make clearing instances faster.
You might as well be shaking your cane and yelling at the clouds, bud. “Kids these days and their newfangled DW/2H tanking! Why, back in my day…!”
Well, glad you managed to get that far. But that’s not what you were discussing with Ravid, who specifically mentioned dw tanking.
In fact, if you’d bother to read the replies with Ravid, everything has been about dw.
Again, the fact that your even discussing what is a simple troll post is beyond embarrassing.
If you’re tanking with a shield in low level dungeons you will not hold threat fine against DPS on multiple targets. You simply won’t have any rage, and prot abilities require rage. Mobs in these dungeons hit like little girls and wearing a shield simply makes it harder for the tank. Revenge is the only ability you will have rage to use, and it has a cooldown.
I’m not replying to the original obvious troll. I’m replying to Ravid who is genuinely ignorant about Warrior tanking.
Then why did you bother replying to me about reading the thread title?
LoL
Because you assumed this thread was about dual wielding and only dual wielding, when it’s clearly not.
Actually, I’m pretty sure I was being clear about the limitations and disadvantages that go along with the idea
Seems to me that the fact that this thread exists means it is indeed as cringe as I imagine it is, and the players that play are as entitled as the OP says.
It isn’t the new meta, and it’s been a thing since private servers have been around. So telling me to respect a build that has been standard in my community for years is hilarious because we were literally running it before you knew it existed.
Regardless, it’s obvious that hit gear is not even a consideration in your mind which is a big yikes, and that you said this warrior is arms, which is even bigger of a yikes
So basically, you’re telling me to get good at a spec you don’t have the slightest understanding of
Please stop. This sorry attempt at deflection is nonsensical. You have no idea what I’m assuming.
Since you seem to know so much about my thoughts, am I wearing pants?