Endless tank bottleneck

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I doubt this would increase the number of tanks at all. I also don’t think it’s even a good solution to almost anything.

Dual Spec is an anti-feature that would actually cause more harm (by harm, I mean change, difference, divergence from normal) to TBC, and create a different meta, as well as benefit some classes greatly, while not benefiting some other much or at all, and even acting as a detriment to some players of some classes…

I do happen to have some opinions on this matter though, and some ideas on what I think would be a better solution to some problems that have definitions…

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It’s doesn’t make finding a tank instant but it certainly increases the number of tanks. There are plenty of people who would tank once in awhile if they weren’t locked into a non tank spec.

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There still is a long wait for tanks even with that thing. All it ever accomplished was enabling bad behavior even more anyway.

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If you change “certainly” with “in my opinion” then sure.

How we measure “number of tanks” would be worth defining if we were to begin to understand this “problem” enough to define it. Which would be a prerequisite to even starting to discuss whether it even is a problem, nevermind what potential solutions might be.

This thread is actually more of a “I like and want Dual Spec.” type thread. And then some, “Duals spec would make more tanks, and not enough tanks is a problem.” type thing.

It’s a solution looking for a problem, but not a thread about a problem (not enough tanks), that is discussing how to solve it. It’s just a proponent of Dual Spec.

Dual Spec is, in my opinion an anti-feature that can cause quite a bit of harm to the game. It also doesn’t solve most (if any) of the problems it aims to solve, while creating problems that didn’t exist before, such as PuGs requiring hybrids to have multiple PVE specs and gear to support them.

It’s also not something that existed in the original TBC, and would require coding changes to TBC Classic.

I have a thread with a better solution and some problem definitions: No Dual Spec: Something Better

If you really believe that Dual Spec is a solution, can you clearly define the problem it solves? Do you have any reason(s) why reducing fees for respecc’ing wouldn’t solve those same problems as well?

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It’s not in my opinion. Are you denying that there’s not at least a single person who given dual spec would tank(or heal for that matter) that otherwise wouldn’t because they’re locked into a spec?

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What did I state that prompts you to ask this question?

This isn’t a certainty, as far as I can tell. And I suspect my questioning of this statement is why you are asking me the above question.

Of note:

Then what is it?

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This was already tried in Wotlk and in retail you can switch to any spec anytime . It not an opinion but fact- it did not work

Dps not switching to tank isn’t because they are not capable of switching specs . You may actually see more tanks go dps when they are fed up babysitting .

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Alas it doesnt solve the problem with gearing.

As much as Id love to be both Fury and Prot, it would mean twice the effort (and/or gold) to obtain two sets of gear.

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If a single person who would not otherwise tank(or heal) does so because of dual spec the number of tanks(or healers) has been improved.

So unless you are claiming not a single person would do so then it’s not just my opinion.

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Laughs in tank

Big true, I got mage premade who lines up perfect frost novas so I can move away for kiting or avenger’s shield throw, which allows 2 pack pulls.

With pugs, idk. They do opposite of help sometimes.

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Not necessarily. We are talking about very large numbers, and very diverse types of behavior. Simply stating that a thing can increase the number of another thing doesn’t mean that it will. And that’s not even considering that it can have a negative impact, or affect _other things- that affect the thing to begin with.

Nope. That’s not a dichotomy.

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Sure except that it actually does in practice. I’m not claiming it gets DPS wait times in line with tanks or healers but it certainly does help. All I have to do is show that a single person who given a viable choice to dps or tank without having to respec will occasionally choose to tank is sufficient to say it helps the tank situation.

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You don’t have to spam Blood Furnace and Slave Pens nonstop. There are other ways to level.

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Running them once for a quest is already a challenge without tank friend.

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So make friends?

I often group up with folks doing quests in the open world and that sometimes leads to dungeon groups forming.

Watch for tank specs questing, ask them if they want to group, etc.

Relying on the LFG channel is a bad idea, getting out there and meeting people is a better idea.

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I don’t claim any knowledge that isn’t anecdotal for this. I was incredibly active during the time that dual spec was introduced, and focused on tanking, clearing all progressive raid content weekly, and (mostly) all heroics daily.

The rewards they offered when LFG/LFD came out that gave mounts meant that I got the White Bear mount and the formerly Druid-Only mount from Sett halls, that took me several weeks, or months to farm on 2 of my max-level, end-game tanks, only a couple of days to get on my alt tanks (this was shortly before they made them account-wide — both huge slaps to the face, imo, but that’s somewhat of a divergence from the topic).

In your opinion.

Unless you have something you can point to that backs up this claim, it’s unsubstantiated.

Even if you could show this (which we have yet to see), it’s not anywhere near the whole picture. One additional part would be to show that the reverse isn’t true, or at least isn’t as true as the point you’re trying to make. And that’s only a binary view on a spectrum of possibilities…

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It’s not my opinion though. There are 100% people who can and will tank(or heal) if it’s a viable option without having to respec.

You are confusing, does it bring DPS wait times to form a group in line with tanks vs it would make DPS wait times at least somewhat better.

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This never happens, maybe if your server is dead and people have to interact.

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Nonsense, it happens every time I’ve been out questing and this server is bonkers.

Being sociable goes a long way toward getting pug dungeon groups.

I try to be the first to invite if others are on the same quest, I ask people how much spell damage they have, stuff like that.

If you’ don’t want to do anything to solve your personal problem then you don’t have to

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It’s not really a matter of opinion though is it. Dual Spec makes it easier for people to swap to tank spec, therefore there will be more tanks.

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