You literally moved goalposts twice. You are the one who even quoted yourself saying that TWW S1 had the worst tank meta. Which would mean no other season would have worse numbers. I gave you data showing two things. 1) This is how tank metas look normally. 2) DF S4 had worse numbers meaning I didn’t need to go back any further because finding even 1 season with worse numbers disproves your argument.
You claiming that it’s cherry picking is hilarious when I specifically leveled the playing field by limiting the keys to +10 and up for DF S4 and TWW S1 because that was where rewards stopped and DF S3 +20 for the same.
You then moved goal posts claiming that DF S4 isn’t a real season so it doesn’t count and also saying that no source was posted. What do you think those charts are? A source. It even tells you in the pictures where it’s from, the date the data was generated, and how many runs it is logging.
Meanwhile you are using data from a website that tells you it’s looking at the top 2,000 runs.
Here’s another one. Let’s see you move another goal post.
It shouldn’t matter what character I’m posting on when I’m sharing objective data. I also play this toon every season and is my main regardless of what the meta is.
Let’s say you and I were having a discussion and you literally point out by numbers on either raider io/WCL historical data to prove your point.
I’d check it and if I was wrong I’d be like ‘Hrm yep fair enough’ and maybe explore your data source more for my own understanding.
I don’t think you’ll get to that point with the person you’re talking to. Either immature or needs more time to reflect on what was actually discussed or just a troll.
Its ok they are nerfing Prot warrior so clearly that is how to do things.
I wouldn’t bother with Sosari. They come in any time they think someone is suggesting that Paladins be nerfed and start posting the same Raider IO images just proving how Paladin tanks are ruleing the roost at all levels then try and derail the post. You should see how many times she runs to Warriror threads to derail em. Its kind of funny to see how Paladins top her own charts but she argues with people just for the sake of trying to not get Paladins nerfed which most of the time that has nothing to do with the threads.
You’re admitting right here that you didn’t show stats for lower content, you showed them for all keys, which makes it impossible to tell whether your claim that meta has zero effect on players who do low keys is true or not.
Metas are great for people going for title. But the idiots who wanted resto shaman this season in a +2 (they didn’t even know why) are the real toxic cancer of this game.
That said, I really hope BDK will be close to meta in season 2 (probably not).
I expect we have more tuning incoming. Not promising it will be everything you hope for, but it’s still early days. I’d be surprised if they let VDH go live like it is on PTR. And historically they have not let same tank be meta two consecutive seasons, unless that 2nd season was fated.
I find bdk significantly weaker than previous seasons. Historically bdk’s have had a health pool advantage over other tanks and they don’t have that this season which is really weird.
Really because I just slogged through a +5 with an enh shaman that barely cracked 500k dps, didn’t interrupt a single cast and died 8 times.
People inviting a spec to their +5s just because people at 3500 rating say it’s the best are the reason for the “imbalance”. If you’re below 3200 (I’m at 2650 so I’m part of it as well), you’re not a good enough player to capitalize on the 1% advantage some of these specs and combinations have.
These advantages only exist if you’re already playing the spec perfectly and in a coordinated group. That rules out 99% of the playerbase.
It wasn’t directly your point but I refuse to join any group labeled “Alts” or “2.6k/2.7k/etc main”. Those are usually the worst. Might as well be a bullseye on them saying, “I was carried.”
So I guess to your point, lot of folks out there with rating who really shouldn’t have it. Lot of them probably giving bad advice too. Wish that wasn’t the case but here we are.
Then you’re making the game way harder for yourself.
Not sure how. When I’m gearing alts, people on alts with mains that massively outrank the level we’re doing are always easy 3 chests. If someone has a 2800 main and 50+ keys ran at 10+ it’s obvious they weren’t carried, assuming you’re checking their RIO.
I can only give you the anecdotal evidence I have. If your experience is different then so be it.
I’m usually stuck in ESL runs so there’s that. There’s no escaping LA with their servers officially removed from that region. Folks (Particularly a correlation with ESL that I regret having to acknowledge) will do anything to get gear/score. That means exploiting WME, creating fancy titles such as above, and so on.
Just because your experience is different doesn’t mean mine is wrong.
Are you actually vetting the members of the groups you join? If someone says “2.5k main” and they don’t have one, yeah don’t join a group run by a liar.
