Endgame tanks in m+

Because their damage was abysmal, even for tanks. And thats what got buffed. And thats whats getting reigned in going into the next season

The “meta” changes as a result of the the BDK

There are plenty of BDK’s running the Ppal meta that can’t time the 17

To each their own.

He’s got a point though, lust isn’t mandatory and if your greifing the entire team it’s not worth it.

It’s just a haste buff that probably only goes out once during an 8

Vast majority mate… Thank you for proving my point. Eventually any disparity will be born out in the stats. A 0.1% difference in optimization will be born out when you push to the extremes of the system. No one but the highest tier of players are doing +17s… That isn’t the vast majority of players… The vast majority are in the 2-10 range, and since rewards stop at +10, the overwhelming majority of keys are at +10… So you balance for +10… not +17 and +20.

You want balance at that level? Delete every spec and just copy/paste their abilities across the board with different graphics to indicate the different classes. You literally won’t see “balance” at that tier of play until that happens.

You see the exact same thing happen at the highest tiers of raiding and (I’ll admit I’m assuming as I don’t PvP, but based on prior experience I’m confident it’s true) the highest tiers of PvP.

Heck take your meta spec. At the 10-11 level, 671,077 prot paladin characters are recorded. Increase that by ONE step to 12 and up and it drops to 164,135 characters… Bring it up to +15 and up (not even at the level you’re talking about) and it’s…19,062 characters.

Are you seeing what we mean by the vast majority. They should NOT balance the game for those 20k players… Those 20k players should just flat out accept that they play the game well outside the norm. That means accept that you’re going to be playing a meta spec.

Are those 20k players not indicative on what classes are stronger?

The difference between a 17 and a 20 is not even close to 0.1

I already answered this why do you continue to ask the same questions expecting different answers?

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No one is arguing that one isn’t stronger. The argument was that you’re asking to balance the game around 20k players… when the vast majority of players aren’t playing at that level.

You don’t balance the game for +20’s… You balance it for +10’s… for which it is MORE than balanced.

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Theres really not.

People are running the same teams theyve had since before Prot Pal took the lead

The content being easy enough for any spec to do it has nothing to do with how balanced they are. You could do a +10 with a hunter tank, I guess that’s a perfectly balanced tank spec

What are you getting at, all these dks struggling should just play the Grizzle comp and they time 20s?

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And here we are with bad faith arguments…again.

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Just applying the logic evenly

The average player could not do a +10 with a hunter tank. That’s the same as pointing out that no healer runs occur, therefore no one should run a healer as they’re useless.

And again, no one argued that the tanks are balanced. The point is that if you have an infinitely scaling system, you will always see a statistical outlier when you push the extreme of the system.

FYI, if you’re seeking near perfect balance for the top 0.01% of players… they have literally never done this in the history of the game.

Have I ever told you the definition of insanity?

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Im getting at you making false claims again that dont hold water.

Youre not applying logic at all by throwing in bad faith arguments.

“If tanks are balanced then do it without a tanking spec! Hurrdurr”

They must have gotten too close the their season pick, need to knock them down a peg.

dks are extremely strong and are fully capable of running 20s with the big boys

I’m not seeking that

That I have no answer to Brewa. But let’s be honest… this is the same song and dance playing out every. single. season…

Players pointing out the exact. same. thing. every. season…

You’re asking for balance for the top 20k tank characters… Out of multiple millions of tank characters. You literally are.

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No i’m not

Id let it go. He plays semantics and is always moving goal posts lol

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