Yes.
Apparently we are supposed to be getting a new bg too at some point in the expansion. I think that’ll be nice as well.
I’m not bitter to the dev team, so I’m excited for what content will be in the open world.
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Well I’m not surprised you’re not bitter, you play horde.
O don’t actually. I play alliance and intend to move any horde characters over once I decide on a main.
Thats not good for alts. Its a crutch for bad game design. If the experience is so bad that you dont want to make an alt, lest you have to do it again, you shouldnt be forced to do it the first time.
You dont have to make forced content skippable, you have to get rid of a philosophy of forced content. Let people play how they want. So what now? People who start the game a few months late explore an empty zone?
The things we want to skip are designed by the same people who are making the content we intend to enjoy on alts.
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As a fellow EDer, I say I feel you, I miss the old days… but the time for this has come and gone and we’re years too late to go back.
If Blizzard were to get rid of War Mode, in the game’s current state, the Alliance would basically die overnight. The reason ED worked was because it had a damn near 50/50 Horde/Alliance playerbase for most of its existance. It was kinda a miracle - of all the, what, hundreds of PvP servers that all eventually slid toward one faction dominating or the other, ED maintained a +/- 2-3% for about a decade.
Nowadays, Alliance players only make up about 1/3rd of the North American playerbase… and Emerald Dream is just barely above average at 40/60.
Nonetheless, that’s still Alliance being outnumbered 2 to 3 in just about every open world situation… with the majority of those Alliance people who moved Horde being high-end skill raiders and PvPers who were tired of not being able to find people to do the content they want. So not only are they outnumbered, but most of the highly competitive players are now Horde.
The ED we knew with Warsong Battalion vs. Clan Battlehamer vs. Division VII vs. Warbringer… it’ll never happen again. It’s just not possible anymore. If they tried it, I would immediately cancel my sub and unsubscribe, as my characters would not be playable outside of instanced content anymore.
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They could make new pvp servers, no transfers to said server.
And make it pvp all day. I bet that server would do well, and if it got a bit much add a second server.
If horde or ally become to overpopulated offer free faction swaps, while many of you may nay say faction swaps, on ED geckos would do it to try and maintain as close to player balance as we could.
They used to do that on ED. They kind of quit during Legion. Most went Horde, and just stayed.
The game as a whole could do with some people switching to Alliance just for WPVPs sake. Especially if all you do is complain about WPVP being dead or whatever.
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Join us, my leprous gnome brother.
I has a Dwarf.
Just been putting off getting legendaries on it… But its getting there.
The funny thing is it’s suppose too. Or trying to balance them in someway anyway.
Ah they really didn’t say this. They said they would like a new BG but nothing planned for the launch. Never confirmed a new one for the expansion.
EDs WPvP history was built long long long long long long long before any of this. ED actually started declining after MoP or during WoD.
I think people would be shocked how many people WOULDN’T join a PvP only server now days. Even people that have kept Warmode on. A lot would probably join but only because it said PvP in the tittle but would have less interest in join for WPvP. The implementation of of sharding/phasing/cross realm is what started to hurt WPvP the most. The poor implementation of Warmode just sealed it. Also would these PvP servers involve no cross realm stuff?
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They mentioned at one time having what they called “pristine” realms. That didn’t allow cross realm and stuff.
I remember doing alot of pvp with black rock and getting rolled alot.
Win lose or draw I loved wpvp
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Nobody would join it.
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If that was the only way, I bet people would. It would give everyone a chance to feel the excitement of leveling agian…are they gonna attack or just let you be.
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I am going to be honest, as much as I still love and miss the old days of Emerald Dream, those servers would be empty. For instance my TBC WPvP guild (or some of the officers did) for Classic/TBCC and tried to recreate what once was. Rolled on the server a lot of ED and old ED players did. Now before BGs launched WPvP was hopping. After that is was a wasteland. UNLESS you went to raid instances. Sure things would pop up here and there, but people largely were disinterested in WPvP. I am tried setting up server WPvP events that never had a good amount of people show. In retail with rewards you could see more people. But to support a server I am going to say no.
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Holinka did make a quick yes to the question which was “Will we be seeing new BGs?”. He also went on to stated we just wouldn’t see any at launch. I certainly and hoping for at least one myself though I’m happy with a focus on Warmode and open world content too.
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Classic proved you wrong.
The lopsided faction balance which killed off the pvp servers started before transfers.
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Warmode is a cancer.
Started WoW on an RPPVP realm in 2005. Moved to VeCo in late TBC because that’s where the big WPVP/RPPVP scene was. Hundreds of people spread across tons of guilds duking it out all across the game. Fighting over towers in Zangarmarsh and Terrokar Forest, fighting over summoning stones outside dungeons and raids, attacking cities and killing faction leaders, etc. Later we all hopped over to ED and it was bigger than ever. Both spontaneous WPVP and preorganized RPPVP based around guild and server story arcs and player made campaigns. I remember being in battles that consisted of four or more 40man raids (something which is now impossible due to sharding). If someone tried to gank you, they couldn’t get away. They couldn’t group with a buddy and be pulled to another shard, they couldn’t turn off Warmode and peace out. There were repercussions to who you attacked and if you picked the wrong person, they would wipe the floor with you. The addition of sharding was the first nail in the WPVP/RPPVP coffin.
Then they added incentives to WPVP. Up until then, the PVP was the incentive. So people who loved PVP and rolled on PVP servers because they loved PVP were rewarded with PVP. Simple. When they started adding gear that would rival what you could get in raids, then people who hate PVP had an incentive to turn on PVP, get into a 40man raid group, kill as many solo players of the other faction as they could find, and immediately turn off Warmode until next weeks quest. This didn’t reinvigorate WPVP, it created a burst of a 40man raid group at a PVP quest on Tuesdays. And thanks to sharding, often times if a counter raid formed, they were kicked to another shard because now there were too many players on the original shard.
Then came the removal of the PVP realm distinction. So now all of the guilds who were RPPVP focused guilds could roll on more populated RP servers for better access to a lot more RPers and still toggle on PVP if they wanted. So people abandoned what were once RPPVP realms in droves, leaving those communities gutted. And speaking of RP servers, they’ve historically been Alliance heavy, usually by a big margin. But when Blizzard added Against Overwhelming Odds, the ratio is calculated by region without taking realm type into consideration. I remember in BfA as Horde being in Warmode and it being absolutely dominated on the RP servers by 40mans from MG and not being able to find enough Horde with WM toggled on to even fill a 5man group. And yet the Alliance would still have AOO buff every week despite having such a numbers advantage. So tons of Horde stopped going into Warmode just because it was so futile.
I remember ED guilds that I was a part of having 50+ members online at prime time back then. Now I /who the same guilds and I’m lucky if I see 3 max level members online. I just returned after a 9 month break about a week ago and have been going into ZM with Warmode on quite a bit. There are still no Horde in sight, I saw one or two last night and maybe 4-5 Alliance in the quest hub. I once teleported in to see a group of Alliance camping the Oribos portal and trying to gank whoever they could kill before they fully loaded in. That’s my experience with WPVP in 9.2
I’ll always miss the days fighting in and alongside the greats like Blacktooth Grin, Tauren Marine Corps, Thunderhoof Clan, Dragonmaw Vanguard, etc.
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What made you move from VeCo to ED?
At the time VeCo was the big WPVP/RPPVP realm. I believe ED was lower pop than VeCo at the time but they also had a healthy RPPVP community so the majority of the VeCo RPPVP guilds migrated to ED for access to even more guilds to RPPVP/WPVP with.
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