Ironic, much?
The whole reason hardcore is popular is because there are external controls. Itâs why the addon version became a joke. Because its controls werenât stringent enough. Anyone can make up any ruleset they want, and play their own game. Why donât most people do that? Because they know they wonât get any recognition for it. The externally imposed nature of the ruleset is what makes this game mode fun. We donât actually know how much less popular it would be if peopleâs cheese was removed. Maybe they would compensate by preparing and playing better, now that they knew they wouldnât have an easy out.
I have to admit the toothpaste is kind of out of the tube by now, and it would be extremely difficult to close these loopholes without some kind of reset. But that doesnât change the principle that the rules themselves are what make the game fun. If those rules can be ignored at will, it undermines the entire concept.
Naw.
Blizz has had zero problem changing the rules to suit them after the fact.
Petri Flask is part of the game. Has no restrictions on it (I.E. Bubble hearth). What rules are being broken here besides those arbitrary ones you choose to recognize?
Petri flask wouldnât be as big of an issue if it wasnât used in combination with things like 30 second logout, or 1 min ghetto teleport. If it was just, you are immune for 60 seconds, then the things start attacking you again if they are still alive, nobody would be talking about it.
The rule that is being âbrokenâ is the one where if you or someone in your group makes a potentially death causing mistake, you die or have to use your abilities or items to get out of it alive. Petri flask + logout is a way to turn oneâs brain off and always be able to get out safe. Petri flask as it is being used now is simply a means to the cheese, not the cheese itself. However, disabling it would be the simplest way to stop the current exploits from happening without changing the game itself too much.
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Based on this I think you are saying that there are times when characters âshouldâ die. Using a petri flask + Logout is clever use of game mechanics to me. HC is about staying alive. To you this is avoiding what should be a guaranteed character death.
Essentially âI died and I think they should have died tooâ
I said âpotentiallyâ death causing mistake. Better players will be better able to recover from mistakes. Also, it was clever for the person who first discovered it. No so much for the friends of that person, then the friends of those friends, and then everyone else. And even for that first person, it doesnât absolve them of using what is essentially an exploit to subvert the game mode. That blizzard chooses to do nothing doesnât change the fact.
so
To me this falls under clever use of game mechanics and not an exploit. That may also be the reason why Blizzard has not directly changed petri flasks or addressed them as a game exploit. I would hardly call petri being an exploit a fact, itâs an opinion.
If youâre going to keep ignoring what I say, Iâm not going to continue to waste my time responding. Have a good day.
I am reading what you say I just disagree, if all you wanted was someone to roll over and say âoh yeah youâre right!â then I canât be that for you.
I figured this was a fine exchange but I guess not. Be better. Have a nice day.
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BUBBLE HEARTH NO MORE
Paladins will not be able to use their Hearthstone while under the effects of Blessing of Protection, Divine Protection, or Divine Shield on Hardcore realms.
Being able to âBubble Hearthâ is a fairly iconic, if not exactly heroic, feature of the Paladin Class. However, the Reincarnation ability is also an iconic feature of the Shaman class. While Paladins have enormous tools to prevent death, a Shamanâs core tool to recover from death is wholly incompatible with Hardcore. As a result, we are removing the ability for Paladins to use their various immunity abilities to safely cast Hearthstone and escape danger.
The reason Blizzard has given for removing the Reincarnation ability is that it is wholly incompatible with Hardcore. No reason is explicitly given for the removal of âBubble Hearthâ, so we must assume that it is for the same reason. In that case Blizzard has established that using various immunity abilities to safely cast Hearthstone and escape danger is wholly incompatible with Hardcore.
âPetri Hearthâ refers to a player leaving an instance group to initiate a countdown to be teleported to their Hearthstoneâs bound location, and then using a Flash of Petrification to safely wait for the countdown to finish and escape danger.
There are only two differences between âBubble Hearthâ and âPetri Hearthâ:
- The Paladin âBubble(s)â are abilities, while the Flash of Petrification is a potion available to any class
- âBubble Hearthâ uses the Hearthstone, while âPetri Hearthâ initiates a countdown to be teleported to the Hearthstoneâs bound location
Neither of these differences are material to compatibility with Hardcore. Using Blizzardâs established criteria above we must conclude that initiating a countdown to be teleported to the Hearthstoneâs bound location while immune to danger is also wholly incompatible with Hardcore.
Some people in this post have expressed concerns that removing âPetri Hearthâ now after players have already used it to progress through endgame content would be unfair to those who would not have the same opportunity. This is irrelevant to the compatibility of âPetri Hearthâ with Hardcore, and the legitimacy of the progress of players using this technique is cast into doubt.
Already in this post some have expressed a loss of respect and awe for those endgame content achievements occurring with the use of âPetri Hearthâ. I certainly no longer view those achievements as legitimate.
Based on the criteria established by Blizzard, âPetri Hearthâ will be removed from Hardcore. If you want second chances in Naxx/MC/etc you should play Era. This is Hardcore.
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Wish you could set reminders on posts for when their claim doesnât happen.
!remindme 30 years.
Do you believe that âPetri Hearthâ is compatible with HC?
I have no issue with players using their allowed HC abilities or cleverly using game mechanics to avoid death in a game mode designed around avoiding death.
You said a lot to say nothing at all.
Petri flasks are being used as intended, to protect one from death, it is the âleave partyâ option that is being abused. It might make more sense to remove the âleave partyâ option while inside a dungeon.
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Ok, I would say that you have poor taste or judgment, thatâs all. Ultimately it is a matter of taste.
Thatâs an oddly insulting way to say that we differ in opinion, which is what this entire conversation boils down to.
If you donât like them, donât use them. Donât be upset when others do use them as intended, to avoid death.
It is slightly ironic that a rogue with one of the best âescapesâ in the game is shaming others for how they choose to stay alive.
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Iâm sorry but it is important to identify when a person has poor taste, since it means they will produce a mediocre result regardless of their effort. Luckily I believe Blizz has shown good taste so far on the implementation of the HC servers so it is highly likely they will remove petri hearth.
so you just have insults then?
Be better and have a nice day.
It really isnât cheating in any way whatsoever. Itâs available to everyone, itâs an in game item and even on era would save your life. Thatâs a foolish thing to say
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