End the abuse in HC: Petri flask 5 min cd, dungeon teleport to 2 minutes

I’m sorry its not intended as an insult. Look, imagine if you were interviewing a contractor to work on your home, and you asked to see photos of their prior work. Upon viewing the photos you realize the contractor has poor taste (your opinion of course) and that you cannot get any value out of their work. It is not an insult to the contractor, its just a matter of value.

I think this analogy only really makes sense to you. If using a petri flask offends your sense of taste then do not use it.

I’ll attempt to decipher your inapt analogy,
I’d rather my contractor have a safe and reliable way to fix any situations that may arise. Choosing to limit them on something as varied and as trivial as personal taste is silly to do.

This is a video game, inherently an art form. Taste is of utmost importance in art. Blizzard themselves have stated they believe bubble hearth, which has no material difference to petri hearth in regards to HC compatibility, is in poor taste for HC. It is highly likely they also believe that petri hearth is in poor taste for HC. Its just a question of whether or not they want to change the rules while HC servers are already in progress.

I don’t think petri flask is cheating or an exploit. Everything people are doing with it are intended game functions.

I do, however, think those game functions are against the spirit of hardcore gaming, and should be removed in light of the intended game mode.

And yes, I’m fine with feign death and vanish still being in the game. Both have the ability to fail you and you still die.

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Taste is 100% subjective.

And it just as highly likely that they do not share your views.

Blizzard has already stated that bubble hearth is wholly incompatible with HC, so we know something about their sense of taste. That increases the likelihood that they believe petri hearth is in poor taste, so no its not just as likely that they think its in the spirit of HC. They have made their sense of taste quite clear on this issue.

Their lack of addressing the issue or considering it prior to release, as they did consider Bubble hearth and reincarnation, says otherwise. If it was to happen, it would have likely happened on launch of HC.

Even by passively allowing it currently, it stands that the petri flask does not go against their “taste” as you see it at this time.

Be reasonable - its obvious that they did not consider petri hearth as a game mechanic, and its been less than 2 weeks since this topic began to be discussed on the forum here explaining lack their of address.

Looooooooool.

Dumbest thing I hope to read all week.

Petri flask has been debated since the Addon days, it was well known and not something that just showed up. If blizzard wanted to remove it, they would have on launch. This discussion overall has been going on longer than 2 weeks and longer than official HC servers have been live.

In regards to compatibility with HC there is no material difference between bubble hearth and petri hearth. If they had no issue with petri hearth they would have had no issue with bubble hearth, so it is obvious that they just did not consider it.

Do you believe there is a material difference between bubble hearth and petri hearth in regards to HC compatibility?

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The expense and access by class, to name two.

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The level at which you can use them for three.

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You were wrong and dodged it, fair.

or thought it was fine. We are both allowed to make suppositions and form opinions on what they did or didn’t do intentionally. Right now it seems that petri is not an issue for HC per blizzards allowance.

Yes, one is a baseline ability only available to a specific class, while the other is open to all depending on their own choices. Going off of the flask still being in the game and not otherwise limited, that yes, one can safely infer that as of current the flask fits into HC.

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  1. Paladin uses their various immunity abilities to safely cast Hearthstone and escape danger
  2. Player leaves an instance group to initiate a countdown to be teleported to their Hearthstone’s bound location, and then uses a Flash of Petrification to safely wait for the countdown to finish and escape danger

You are claiming there is a material difference in regards to compatibility with HC between 1) and 2) because 1) can only be perform by Paladins and 2) can be performed by anyone. Blizzards official statement was that bubble hearth was wholly incompatible with HC. Wholly incompatible has nothing to do with which class is using it, it is the action itself, using various immunity abilities to safely cast Hearthstone and escape danger, which is incompatible. Blizzard’s precedent is clear here, they say nothing about an unfair advantage to a particular class.

Again this topic just appeared on the forum less than two weeks ago, Blizzard has not allowed anything, there simply hasn’t been time for them to properly consider and address the issue.

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Yes.

Good job staying with the rest of the class.

And what do you think of Blizzard’s official statement was that bubble hearth was wholly incompatible with HC?

Just because you found this issue within the last two weeks does not mean it hasn’t been brought up plenty of times prior. You would do well to find and educate yourself in this regard. Petri flask has been hotly debated well before this thread was made. As with your claims this is a new issue show a lack of historical knowledge of HC and a disconnect from the debates prior to an official system being put in place.

This section that I have quoted is all your own thinking and not anything that can be attributed as blizzards thought process. it is very likely that the reasonings I and others have put forward as possibilities is entirely within what blizzard considers acceptable for HC.

It is entirely possible that they saw Petri as perfectly in line with HC as blizzard has presented it and with it still being a valid item in game, entirely possible it was intended to remain untouched.

Link a single thread on the official WoW forums with debates on petri hearth prior to an official system being put in place. Blizzard did not develop the HC addon, there is no reason to assume they were familiar with its intricacies and history.

Here is the direct quote from Blizzard

…is wholly incompatible with Hardcore. As a result, we are removing the ability for Paladins to use their various immunity abilities to safely cast Hearthstone and escape danger.

Now lets modify that statement to try our best to make it consistent with both your and Blizzard’s expressed views: “…is wholly incompatible with Hardcore unless all classes have this ability. As a result, we are removing the ability for Paladins to use their various immunity abilities to safely cast Hearthstone and escape danger.”

Why is it suddenly not wholly incompatible with HC if all classes have the ability? Does that really make sense to you?

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