Elune Cutscene Anxiety Thread

Hackbrew, that was my take as well.

The Cinematic was fantastic, loved the twist.

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Tyrande: Elune! I want vengeance!

Elune: Granted.

Tyrande about to get her vengeance

Elune: Uhhhh… I changed my mind last second. Sorry.

Fast forward

Elune: It’s up to Tyrande if she wants renewal or vengeance.

Me: Are you bi-polar or just have a goldfish memory?

ALSO

Elune: I’ll sacrifice my favored children for you sister.

Fast forward

Elune: I kinda regret that. I don’t have many worshippers left now, oops.

No more Teldrassil.
No more Kaldorei.
No more Night Warrior.
Sure was worth it huh?

Elune must be the most dumbest celestial entity there is. How on Azeroth any Night Elf would continue worshipping a goddess that sees you as Kaldorei GTX Ultraclean is mind boggling and surely not worth you faith.

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It feels muddled to me, as though they made this stuff up a few years ago and are trying to force it in. How is Elune a life goddess? What is her association with space, night, stars, the moon, and the arcane? Why are her priests portrayed as violent warrior-women? Why does she have the power to turn her followers into magical killing machines? Why is this “life” goddess so deadly? Why was she always portrayed as the goddess of Azeroth specifically until just a few patches ago?

Guys, it’s so obvious they’re just changing things now.

This doesnt even feel like warcraft lore anymore. After legion it just feels like they’re trying to forcefully redefine everything in the universe to suit this new version of the lore that I’m not even sure anyone likes all that much.

Everything is both overly convoluted and needlessly restrictive, pigeon-holing everything into these poorly defined “cosmic forces” that just make the universe feel small and uninteresting imo.

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Honestly the Dark Warden being a barely verbal walking blender makes more sense now. I’d be pretty furious at god and all of creation if I spent millenia being a warrior monk only to learn me and my people are considered liquid assets.

Allegedly very important ones but that’s what Elune says, in front of Tyrande no less presumably to save face. What she did was let the Kaldorei get immolated then never even rang up her sister to see how her faves were getting along in the heaven garden.

And the thing is I don’t think anyone expected her to intervene. She hadn’t done much before and honestly I just figured deities had limited power in the material plane. Seems they can’t do much in areas with no shrines or worshippers, so I figured those were conduits that let them more directly influence things. But no. Apparently Elune could’ve intervened any number of times to cancel the apocalypse but just didn’t.

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I still get the feeling the planar pantheons are not supposed to act in the material plane, likely per the rules established by the First Ones when they set the whole system up. That seems to be how they are trying to justify why you never heard of all these great cosmic powers; you were never supposed to if things work right. Elune has just been skirting the rules all this time as much as she dared to without provoking the anger of the rest of her pantheon.

It is a bit of a conceit for sure on the dev side to think people would just accept such sweeping changes without any set up. I think the issue really is they have failed to communicate these things properly, which leaves people often filling the gaps in the worst way possible. Communication has always been an issue for them, sadly.

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I mean the Lich King was running amok with Maw and Maldraxxi power and nobody even noticed till somebody checked under Uther’s soul toga.

So whatever the rules are it doesn’t seem like they’re being monitored for violations all that stringently.

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I like your explanation of it, with planar pantheons having to sit on the side lines. It would line up with the Void Lords being unable to “exist” within the realm of reality.

Wouldn’t help explain much for our titans, but it could work.



My issue, is that all this strong female characters are being written as emotional train wrecks who cannot “make up their minds.”

You have 2-3 “mood swings” within a 3 min cinematic. :face_vomiting:

Jania goes from wanting to kill all Horde, to holding hands with Thrall in ThunderBluff.
Slyvanas goes from wanting to break the cycle, to opps sorry, I don’t wanna serve.



Now:

Tyrande goes to, I will sacrifice myself for my NE brothers and sisters to bring Slyvanas to Justice…

…using the power of a GOD WHO SACRIFICED MY NE BROTHERS AND SISTERS FOR ARDEANWEALD…

…to oh, renewal is better. : )



Elune goes from worship me and I will empower and watch over you deity to, yeah… I’ll sacrifice you at the drop of a hat, than say its your “choice” after removing said choice in the first place.



It is just all over the place.

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We already knew that souls were used as fuel via their anima, so that’s nothing new. I don’t think Elune ear-marking her followers for Ardenweald is (by itself) anything wrong.

I think it’s just the 1-2 punch of “oopsie I didn’t know” that everyone’s already hated with the Kyrian along with winding down Tyrande that comes off so weird. Unless Sylvanas is already supposed to have been captured and rendered powerless at this point in the questing? I recall people complaining about a similar questing incongruity with Kael’thas appearing before LFR opened up his wing for casual players.

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I must be new here… but it seems like a lot of people are ignoring what is there in order to see what they wish to see.

Elune even says “in the wake of tragedy” - like, crud already hit the fan and she tried to make the best of it.

She didnt say:

“Yeah I mind controlled Sylvanas to kill as many Night Elves as we could - as a team! Go team!”

The tragedy had occured. She helped the Night Elves die painlessly - which is far from abandoning them. And she tried to send them to Ardenweald.

I mean, the Horde was having issues with their souls not being properly guided to the afterlife, which is among the things Thrall wanted to discuss with Tyrande and Malfurion.

Why is it such a crime that Elune was unable to get souls to the right place? Very few powers in the universe were able to guide their favored souls away from the Maw.

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Yeah, but Elune controls the Wild Gods, she didn’t send them to help either.

Bwonsamdi would’ve done something right then and there… just sayin

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To be fair, Azeroth is dealing with the scourge.

Well, the LK’s actions seem to of been unnoticed, somehow. Or rather, we did see how one attempt to make people aware went. It resulted in the Archon saying it was impossible.

On top of that it seems to some extent using agents is permitted, but you yourself are not supposed to act directly. Sort of like how Life has Wild Gods, and pre Burning Legion the Demons would make brief incursions into our reality, but whatever ‘demon pantheon’ there is never showed up to eat planets for lunch. This sounds like a petty technicality, I know.

The big headache there is the Titans. It is definitely a thorn in the side I have not resolved. There are a few possibilities, but nothing I am totally happy with.

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Yeah. I think a lot of the disconnect with the god talk is expecting every fictional god to be a big ‘G’ Abrahamic style omniscient and omnipresent god.

Greek gods screwed up all the time. Thanatos got captured by some jerkbag mortal, for example.

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Because she’s always been shown to have a very strong connection to Life. Her son is literally the father of Druidism. Eonar named a Life-associated planet after her, and even held onto her tear. Additionally, every single Druid and even Ysera are literally decorated with her symbol.

Just because she’s a Life Goddess doesn’t mean she can’t dabble in other cosmologies. Eonar after all, is a Titan, a being of the Arcane, but still wields Life magic.

Because gods and goddesses just… do that. In like every mythology. Also Warcraft Druidism is largely inspired by real Druidism which involves sacrifices and whatnot.

She’s never been portrayed as the Goddess of all of Azeroth and only Azeroth. We’ve just never interacted with really any body else in the cosmos (except for Draenei and Legion) until recently.

They’ve always been changing things.

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I have a strong suspicion the arcane association came from her interactions with Eonar, who I think she found as a wee world soul and cared for. the close bond between them meant that Eonar became more nature oriented, and Elune became more arcane. I mean, when all was lost for the Titans, it seems like Eonar’s soul fled to Elune for help, and then she was hidden in a sanctuary on a planet named Elunaria which despite their best efforts the Legion failed to find until Elune’s focus seemingly shifted primarily to Ysera and the Nightmare corruption of the Tear.

Elune is a goddess who encourages peace, but is NOT one of pacifism. (typo fix, my bad)

Have you… looked at nature? It is Savage AF. Life and Death are part of a spectrum, and a cycle.


Also… I will note that even Chronicles mentions she tried to quietly shepherd the Kaldorei away from the arcane path they were taking pre-sundering but they were so enthralled by Azashara they simply didn’t listen and the sisterhood’s influence continuously waned.

And honestly I’d prefer if they were more like that. Well maybe not exactly like the old Pantheons. They really sanitized those stories over the years. I’m just saying reading the OG versions makes Kratos seem completely reasonable for wanting to kill all of them.

But something more like TES’s Daedra mightve been fun. They skew more malevolent but honestly after this cutscene I think Azura is a better version of Elune. And has a much more interesting sisterly relationship with Nocturnal, come to think of it.

But point is those gods get bamboozled by mortals all the time. They usually get the last laugh as they’re immortal and thus have all the time in the universe to wait to catch the mortal slipping, but they have been hoodwinked. And get into pissing contests with rival deities somewhat regularly.

Just more interesting that way. Bringing in a omnipotent character into the story writes you into a corner pretty much instantly.

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I have no idea what the current team is going to turn Elune into, but that is not true to the original:

Strongly associated with healing, peace, and tolerance, Elune has been revered by the night elves and other races since ancient times. However, the Mother Moon is not a goddess who advocates peace at all costs. Indeed, one of Elune’s aspects since ancient times has been the Night Warrior, who is said to take the valiant dead from the battlefield and set them riding across the evening sky as stars.

Long before the Great Sundering, an order of priests had dedicated itself to Elune’s service. The highest echelon of this order is known as the Sisters of Elune, and as the name implies, membership in this echelon is open only to women. Their battle chants can call down Elune’s wrath to smite an enemy, and their prayers can heal even the gravely wounded.

© https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/The_Warcraft_Encyclopedia/Elune

So, she is “pro peace” but a violent way to get there was always on the table. Just like themes of vengeance, or sacrifices.

a blessing is bestowed upon the being who places the flesh of Elune’s enemies on the brazier’s burning embers

© https://www.wowhead.com/quest=14358/ten-pounds-of-flesh


gl hf

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SO, it turns out I typed now, when when I tended to type not. You are totally correct. She isnt a pacifist deity, never has been. She just is not a violent one who encourages such actions for their own sake.

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I think it’s more they’re writing a Story rather than a Mythology when WoW is more Mythology than Story