RIP, I can’t get Tyrande to kill Shandris during the quest. Her HP just locks at 85% and stops going down at that point. I wanted to see if the event would bug out or something.
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Thank you for getting back to me. For some reason the forum didn’t alert me, but I found it.
Alright. So these are unknown.
I think it’s fair to say that if a book makes the claim that a named npc burned at Teldrassil that it’s probably true.
My intent was to force you to recognize that Blizzard has named precious few night elf npcs that are confirmed to have died. Those who have not been confirmed as dead can come back in a future patch as survivors.
Wait a minute.
Zoval describes the other Covenant big dogs as siblings, right? And Elune’s the Winter Queen’s sister.
So this whole time she was completely ignorant of her brother/nephew/second cousin’s actions?
Awfully dysfunctional family.
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I mean most diety family are disfunctional points at greek, egpytian and norse myths
“I was present for every moment, and yet, outside myself. I was as much of a witness as you were”
So for the 2nd time in two weeks the story has invalidated the agency of one of its major female characters.
Cool.
Anyway was Tyrande’s choice made in that cinematic? Why did she choose Renewal? Did she understand what was at stake for either choice, because I didn’t- meaning why should I care if she chooses one or the other if I don’t know what was sacrificed in that choice? Why can’t she ask the Winter Queen to zap Sylvanas with the Tear of Elune and then say, “Alright, now we can Renew!”? Is it because Sylvanas needs to tell us the plot of Shadowlands? Why do we still not know the plot of Shadowlands? I bet the Primus knows. Let’s zap Sylvanas and ask him.
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On the matter of dysfunctional Moon Goddesses: the conflict between Queen Serenity and Queen Nehelenia isn’t justified either as Light Fanatic Serenity shoved Nehelenia into a Mirror for literally darkening the room with her very presence despite Nehelenia suggesting a Balance between Light and Dark.
Nehelenia’s retaliation of course was to call in her sister to wipe out the White Moon Kingdom so she isn’t all that pleasant either.
Serenity was Fanatical and Nehelenia was Vindictive and yet Serenity’s Fanaticism what triggered Nehelenia’s Vindictiveness and thus is the whole reason there was war between the Light and Dark Moon Kingdoms and I’m sure the Death Phantom Chaos(who only attacked Crystal Tokyo after his 3 children were all killed off and he himself was forced back into the Galaxy Cauldron by Sailor Moon herself) wouldn’t be interested in cutting into his offspring’s business if there was peace.
Only the Tau Nebula would have caused problems for the White Moon Kingdom and surely Nehelenia would let Sailor Saturn get rid of both of them considering the inhabitants are butting into her Dark Moon Kingdom as well regardless of being led by her sibling Pharaoh 90!
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This is fine as a theme, if a little unsubtle and underveloped. A manga called Chainsaw Man did excellent work with this theme. Don’t read Chainsaw Man, it’s esoteric and utilizes Shoenen tropes such that some of the story beats might be offputting unless in the context of what other works have done.
What is not fine is using it as a free pass from consequences. I don’t mean that Sylvanas HAS TO BE PUNISHED either, I mean a story where by next expac we’ll have moved along as if nothing ever happened.
There’s a hole in the sky of Azeroth. You can see the Afterlife- the literal, actual Afterlife! And no one on Azeroth gives a crap. No one cares. Their leaders were all kidnapped through this hole into Hell- did anyone even notice? The leaders don’t seem too concerned with what’s happening on Azeroth, they’re just hanging out in Oribos, swapping stories of how much it blows to be tortured endlessly forever.
There’s a sword sticking out of Azeroth. The world is slowly bleeding to death. There’s like a dozen people around it- no one else cares, apparently. I wonder what’s so interesting that they don’t care about the slow exsanguination of the little rock they live on? Blizzard knows. Why won’t they tell us?!
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And the Kyrian covenant used to require aspirants shed all the memories of their previous life in order to ascend, yet in the next chapter they decide to change that going forward. It’s just as easy to assume that via the new sigil/tear in Ardenweald an exception can now be made to allow mortal souls to be reborn and not just loa/wild gods. Vol’jin was a mortal and yet he got made an exception and is going to be reborn as a loa.
The Night Elves will be reborn for the sake of restoring the Balance between Life and Death.
The Realm of Life’s Night and the Realm of Death’s Twilight both work towards the balance of Life and Death so the Souls sent to Ardenweald all getting a chance at rebirth will be a step towards fixing the imbalance caused by Denathrius’s Anima Drought(which cost most of the Wild Gods that used to help with the Balance) and Sylvanas’s mass killing(which added to the Death going into the Shadowlands).
I think the disconnect people are having comes from the fact we were in the past sold the idea Elune was a “True Deity” and for most people in modern western society that comes with inherent assumptions, one of those being some degree of omnipresence and omnipotence.
Elune, as of Shadowlands, has been stripped of that traditionally lofty “Primordial Creator Being” position and assigned a seat in the pantheon of Life. With the scope reduction, she isn’t logically any more aware of what is going on in the Shadowlands than she is in the Void or any other cosmic plane outside her own and the Mortal plane. She felt the pain of her cosmic counterpart across the great chasm of life and death, but she didnt know what was going on there any more than the Winter Queen knew why her sister had been silent for eons.
Also Elune has a long history of not stopping stuff. She didnt stop the Sundering, for example, and her whole history is that she really only acts in very isolated divine interventions. Honestly, it seems like the rules the First Ones set up is that the pantheons of the cosmic planes are likely not supposed to act outside their own realms, and Elune has been skirting the rules in her acts for the Kaldorei from the beginning.
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In the end the True Gods of WoW are the First Ones and those directly below them with beings equal to True Gods being considered God-like without actually being Gods themselves.
Titans were never appointed to their positions and proclaimed themselves a Pantheon in the Great Dark Beyond. They are God-like in power yet have not been assigned the actual roles of True Gods like the Eternal Ones were. They were usurpers, False Gods just as Usurper Kings are usually False Kings! They have the power yet no legitimacy as they never purged the First Ones from existence to attain that legitimacy!
Probably why the Void Lords cannot enter the mortal plane without something anchoring them. And even then it would take a lot of energy to do that as well. Which is why they went with the Old God route for corrupting the Titans.
Makes me wonder though about the Naaru. What separates a Prime Naaru like Xe’ra from a regular naaru like A’dal?
Also, if Elune is now part of the pantheon of life, what is her connection to Xe’ra? There has to be for the Tear of Elune to reawaken Xe’ra’s core.
Can you seriously stop spewing your headcanon like it is known fact.
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It seems like it was Zovaal’s great sin as well. He wished to act beyond his station and control the whole multiverse, something his peers saw as blatantly heretical against the First One’s dictates and dangerous enough to refuse his ideas and then lock him up in the Maw for trying it.
*drums fingers *
…I just…
*fidgets *
…it’s…
*grumbles *
It’s bull-
is what.
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The dude… literally EATS the final boss for killing his lover.
How is that not the ultimate revenge lol?
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spoilers for chainsaw man
(also I’d suggest putting your spoilers in the “Hide Details” tab 
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Summary
I’m talking about Aki. His quest for vengeance against the gun devil is eventually revealed to have been entirely pointless. It only results in him trading his life away, suffering horrific injuries, then violently dying while forcing those he cares about to watch his slow suicide and suffer when he dies. It’s his death that leads Denji to initially lose faith in his own humanity and become Makima’s dog.
Tyrande’s arc about vengeance was much more blunt: her instrument of vengeance was literally going to kill her, and Shandis was sad about this.
Wowhead’s claiming she’s chosen renewal but I didn’t see where she chose in their article.
It’s probably a safe bet, though, considering how the question is framed and how justice/vengeance was already denied to Tyrande while it was literally in her grasp.
A common theme is that typically no true healing can begin until wrongs have been set right, until justice is done. So World of Warcraft’s hang-up in this regard is awkward and comes across as disingenuous and self-serving. I agree that it shouldn’t be a binary choice.
Of course, the primary reason is as you say. The plot demands it.
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Now I’ve only watched the video once, but when Elune leaves Tyrande’s body, it looks like the Night Warrior look is gone. That seems to imply a choice for renewal by giving up the avatar of vengeance powers.
Now, this is probably giving the story team more credit than they deserve, but it could be more of her giving up the whole ready to sacrifice herself for vengeance thing to prioritize leading her people. The question is how far down in her priorities Sylv will be after this.
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It’s the gossip after the cinematic. She says the night elves need renewal
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The obliterated souls in the maw need renewal…
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