I guess it also shouldn’t surprise as that the company that banned people for opposing the Chinese Communist party is also the one pushing out messages declaring that genocide is okay sometimes.
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Okay, fair on Vol’jin, but does that mean Ysera was a Wild God before The Winter Queen made her a permanent resident of Ardenweild?
It’s best not to engage or argue with people who come into a thread with bad faith intentions.
Ysera is not reborn in the mortal plane. You’re using a bad example.
Anyway, Elune somehow put her in as a pod, so it didn’t matter whether she was a Wild God or not. But through the mechanisms of Ardenweald, only Wild Gods can become pods in the first place.
Not sure they’ve done that. Elune tried to make the best of a bad situation. Thinking on it, further, I’ll retract my dislike of this. Well, the Elune part. The whole Night Warrior is still wank.
Although I am left wondering why Elune thought the souls would reach Ardenweald - the pipe is clogged. On the other hand, I guess you have to try anything.
But she is reborn, so a mortal creature can be reborn through a pod if they are ‘Elune’s pet’ - isn’t that how the Winter Queen referred to her?
Seems like being a Wild God isn’t the only way to get into a pod is all I’m saying.
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There are Night Elves souls in Bastion. Also in Revendread. So its depends on a person.
Its a lie. There is no Crossroad music there…
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Reborn into Ardenweald is not the same as being reborn into the life plane.
And more likely Elune made her a wild god by giving her a pod.
Edit: I realise i just checkmated myself.
That’s the impression I’m getting as well. She thought to do for the fallen of Teldrassil what she’d done with Ysera, but by then the Arbiter had been taken out of commission so whatever manner she “marks” a soul to get it fast-tracked to Ardenweald by the Arbiter went unnoticed and they passed to the Maw like everything else by that point.
The drought was likely already happening before the Arbiter was neutralized; the resulting halt in regular traffic between realms was why the Eternal Ones and their servants didn’t seem to actually know why souls had stopped arriving in their domains until the player arrived.
One sees night elf souls elsewhere in the Shadowlands, so Ardenweald probably isn’t some automatic afterlife for them; it comes across like Elune might have sort of “flagged” those who died at Teldrassil like she did with Ysera, whom the Night Fae throughout level questing treat like an unusual soul who wouldn’t necessarily have gone to Ardenweald in normal circumstances.
Incidentally, Elune didn’t kill her followers, folks. Just like everyone doesn’t go to Ardenweald, Bastion, Revendreth or Maldraxxus. I get being irritated by a particular story beat, but why do so many people seem to think the best way to express that frustration is to willfully blurt out untrue things on top of what they have a problem with?
Elune’s never been omnipotent. Tons of awful things have always happened throughout history in spite of her. She didn’t “let” Teldrassil happen. Just the fact that she’s apparently bound to Tyrande’s invocation and can’t one-sidedly call off the whole Night Warrior thing to save her indicates that the universe has rules that Elune has to work within.
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Material plane you mean? I’m not disagreeing with that, since it’s beside the point I’m trying to make.
So Elune could make the Night Elves Wild gods if she wanted to then?
Except the night elves were needed to fuel anima to Ardenweald, while Ysera needed to take anima from Ardenweald. It doesn’t check out.
There is no way it could’ve played out because the night elves were there to give anima as souls and couldn’t afford to take it to be reborn as mortals or Wild Gods.
See above.
How the hell does Elune not know about the Maw?
Stupid, blizz, this is stupid writing.
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My answer is that Elune is not and has never been omnipotent. She took advantage of Sylvanas’s warcrime to try to save night elven heaven.
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Oh God cover your eyes, Ethriel, this one must hurt.
Yeah, I’m about 35% sure this guy’s one of the Blizz writers in disguise trying to convince us this isnt objectively awful writing.
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She does.
She just didn’t know the Arbiter was offline.
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The “night elf version” of crossroads was a good observation, but I feel like using this as evidence that “Elune did Teldrassil” is a major reach. There are loads of alternative connotations that I feel are just as valid.
If the outcome of the War of Thorns is something Elune and WQ are determined to now “fix,” then it makes absolute sense why the beginning of that conflict would be on their respective minds. It doesn’t mean either one had anything to do with the event that initially used that music track.
We saw something similar in BFA when Baine returning Derek to Jaina featured a tauren version of “Daughter of the Sea.” WoW likes to use music like this.
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oh my god
if i were a writer, we wouldn’t see tyrande for another thirty five years.
Night elves would achieve gnome status.
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I feel like part of the frustration here is whether Elune would have been able to save all of the night elves. I don’t think this cinematic was intended to imply she directly orchestrated everything, just that she was intending to repurpose the souls that were lost to help Ardenweld rebound (and then send them back when the crisis was over???).
If Elune is a small ‘g’ god, it’s pretty reasonable that she wouldn’t be omnipotent or omniscient.
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Evidently this is a mistake or something according to Elune.
Not omnipotent, but stopping a fire in reality of a magical tree tied to Life certainly more within her reach that serving as a psychopomp to Ysera into the Shadowlands.
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More likely she “marked” Ysera for the Arbiter to send to Ardenweald, and as an unusual creature of her sort, Wild God was the closest thing the Arbiter could manifest her as to accommodate her nature.
After all, we’ve got another being potentially getting reborn as a Wild God who wasn’t one before in the form of Vol’jin.
Plus one might argue that without their Aspect powers, the Dragon Aspects are basically Wild Gods already the way Ancients and many Loas are animals elevated to possess levels of intellect and powers beyond the rest of their respective species.
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