Elixir of Tongues Is Spit In The Face of OCE Players

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Delivery is just as important as content. That’s why rhetoric was a pillar of education for hundreds of years.

Believe me, I understand the frustration, and would love to be sympathetic. But it’s a little hard to right now.

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I play almost soley at night. My job let’s off at 11PM. I must say, it would be nice to have a potion that creates a not night skybox. I rarely get to see real daylight. Please, give late night US players and daytime OCE players a potion to turn night into day, at least the relative day for that zone.

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But, again, there are plenty of things that US are still complaining about and haven’t had fixed either. Take the DH jumping DC issue, that’s still a thing and has been a thing since legion. Something multiple people have voiced.

I absolutely agree that theres a very long list. i had heard about the DC issue, dont have a DH but its been mentioned. Frustrating as all get out.

Look…I wont get into what OP said but a lot of this boils down to frustration.

If the Blues cant talk to us because theyll be asked about the day night issue and whatever they say gets “derailed”…with all due respect to the CMs who have a rotten job at times, I submit that if the barrier to further communication this night and day issue ( I refer to how its been said that a Blue post can “derail” a conversation" - cant quote the thread but its there somewhere)…then its about time the underlying issue was addressed.

Ill be honest, a lot of people have noticed it, a lot of people are fed up to the back TEETH with it, but theyve given up trying…because no matter what we post, no matter how much feedback we give…nothing happens.

I have absolutely no doubt that they do read, and I am sure they know of this, so do the devs…this was raised back in 2016…we’ve waited long enough, dont you think?

I also agree that the list of things to fix is HUGE…so maybe its time this one went from the back burner to the front one.

When you cant solve the big problems, along the way, it wont hurt to get a few of the smaller ones sorted out as well.

sigh

Thank you for listening.

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Well said, dude.

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Of all of these, the calendar is one that should, IMO, be a top priority,. The calendar is listing ingame events at the wrong time and wrong day.

Think of the STV tournament for example…that IS an example of a gamebreaking problem.

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Yeah, I agree with you here. And while I do think they listen to an extent I don’t think they listen nearly as much as we the community would actually like and feel we actually deserve. There are things they do very much take the time to solve, but then there are other things where they simply leave alone and don’t fix at all. It’s very frustrating and I understand this entirely.

It definitely sucks that there are so many things that are messed up with the game and have yet to be fixed so our experiences are far better. But, I really can’t speak for Blizzard at all and don’t know just the extent of what they have to deal with that perhaps makes it difficult for them to “listen” in the first place as a customer it seems absurd that it doesn’t happen that often. But, it’s easier to complain about things when you don’t know what they have to deal with.

Again, definitely not condoning their silence what so ever, I just can’t exactly say they don’t listen entirely, and that I don’t know what it is they deal with that make them ignore us in the first place.

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I think it’s very important to have brought it up as a comparison actually. If you can’t see how it comes across as incredibly unfair that a minority gets their issues not only noticed but a remedy put in place after mere days but another has reasonable requests and suggestions for fixes and gets ignored for years then quite frankly I don’t believe you have any sympathy for the situation at all. This isn’t a complaint that roleplayers got a fix, this is a complaint that Blizzard are quite clearly ignoring a specific minority of players, rather than just all minority groupings. Having such a massive comparison should in fact help getting noticed instead of forum lynchings because someone dare mention roleplayers.

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Nothing that involves coding is ever a small amount of effort.

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Like what the Draenei woman said, the way you make your argument toward something matters a lot when you’re trying to get things done. You can’t expect a tone the OP took to fly if someone were to try and make an argument to any other head corporation when they’re demanding something. While it sucks, it kinda just isn’t a good thing to come off the way he did when discussing the issue.

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I wont point fingers at anyone, and this isnt getting personal, but Ill say that one of the connotations of “there arent that many of you” gives the impression (even if that IS NOT what you meant…and Im sure it isnt…) that others are “second class”.

It sorta isnt a great way to approach someone. And no I know that isnt what was meant…at times thats how it comes across.

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Perception of the message is just as important as the contents. Thumbs up, Aehl. Keep up the good fight.

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Not fighting…just trying to make some sense out of all of this.

Not getting anywhere either. :tired_face:

:australia:

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And if you can’t see how the two are not particularly as comparable as yourself and the OP suggested, then you don’t know enough about how the game works to draw the comparison in the first place.

Pretty sure nobody’s lynching anyone. Most of us have been quite reasonable in pointing out that the comparison is not accurate, not necessary, and is hyperbolic, and thus a detriment to the core request.

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As has been said in other topics, when you ignore the player base on a specific issue(s) for too long, players get frustrated and these are the kind of threads that result. I did not see this as an attack on RPers but on the stark difference in the way that Blizz handled the 2 issues.

But I have also been following this issue off and on for several months just because I saw Aehl post about it a few times and then wandered over to the Oceanic forums. Sometimes I think people defend Blizz too much when an issue doesn’t affect them directly even when it sucks big time for the people it does affect.

People are coming into the thread assuming this issue has not been brought up before when it has many times. Possible solutions and suggestions have also been offered by players. Blizz’s silence on this for so long gives the impression they just don’t care. The same thing others have said about them on other topics they personally care about.

I do hope Blizz manages to “improve” their communication soon - for all their players.

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Stark? I’ve been wanting cross faction communication for over 11+ years. Perhaps you could look upon it as Blizzard becoming more responsive, and hope that it indicates good things coming your way.

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I do agree that it’s easier to defend Blizzard when it’s not happening to us. And as I’ve stated that I don’t think it’s ok to be silent toward your player base whatsoever, there are plenty of issues that have gone ignore for quite a long time in US servers as well that even we want fixed. It’s not just an OCE thing, it’s everywhere, and we all want it to be fixed. I also hope Blizz improves on their communication for EVERYONE, sometimes it just seems a bit doubtful.

However, again, I feel that it’s a bit easier as a customer to just simply be mad when we as customers don’t actually know how difficult their job is entirely. I’m certain that plenty of issues are perhaps harder to do than others and they’re constantly flooded with issues. I still believe that they do handle things very strangely in the way of priority and it definitely sucks.

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How is it Catering to a “Minority Group” when the item in question will be available to everyone? :rainbow:

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On the calendar: heres an example.

Winter Veil starts 10:00. Now look at that a moment. 10:00 is 10am. Thats what anyone looking at it would think.

In 24 hr time which I have my calendar set to, thats 22:00, isnt it?

Nope.

The calendar on an OCE server is listing the event starting at 10am US TIME

So in fact the calendar is 17 hours out of whack. It WAS set to our local time, then it was changed. Why is anyones guess.

An ingame calendar should, by necessity , show events in LOCAL time. Its misleading and inaccurate. When you go overseas, do you set your watch to US time…or the local time?

When you go to an event overseas, the calendar and events are scheduled in local time, arent they?

Time in Sydney Australia:

2:12pm (or 1412 in 24 hr time) Tuesday 18 December. (GMT + 11)

Time in California USA

7:12 pm (or 1912 in 24 hr time) Monday, 17 December 2018 (GMT-8)

What use is a calendar that is that far out of synch with local time?

Tell me that isnt something that needs to be fixed.

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Whats your point here? That Blizzard has made a 24 hour cycle that is 1:1 with the real and they think that the cycle matching the time zone it was in was somehow bad so they decided to make it 16 hours behind?

Why would they intentionally want the 24 hour day night cycle to not match up to its real life location like it was intended?

The cycle used to match up when we got local servers, then they changed it without giving us the reason why.

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This is what Takralus said

So as some of you know, this came as a result of the Oceanic realms being made part of the NA region. We did this so that players in Australia and New Zealand can see and group up with US folks in outside areas. This was something that was brought up by the community both here and on social media earlier this year. In unifying the region as a whole, it now operates on a single timezone.

To change the appearance on the in-game time of day, we could look into some cosmetic tech that would change the skybox based on the home-server’s timezone. However, that could lead to weird things like seeing NPCs carrying torches in broad daylight, or time-based events like the sunset festival in Pandaria happening in the middle of the night, etc. If NA and ANZ players are going to play together outdoors, there needs to be one consistent state of the world for everyone.

That was in 2016.

They broke our local cycles and tied OCE servers to US time. Let that sink in a moment. They tied an entire region to a day night cycle 18 hours out of sych.

The night day cycle has zero to do with grouping.

They then said they could “look into” cosmetic tech…and two and half years later, …we are still waiting.

Let me give you a corollary.

You go overseas but all your activities are set to US timezones…so when you go outside, its night.

All the time.

What we want is simple

A night day cycle that matches our own…which is actually what we HAD before Blizzard changed it. We have been patient, all we are asking is:

Can this please be fixed now?

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