Just need a good MMO to come out to make them act honestly. Id be willing to pay for an EQ remastered to come back 
Eeeehhhh… Premades or not, people have been doing this since Classic. It’s nothing new.
Yeah and this is the worst I’ve seen it with people constantly complaining about how unfair it is when its a Epic Premade vs Pugs.
Personally I think anyone found to be doing it should just be suspended. Or you know… close the loop hole. But blizz dont care atm.
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Just because it can be done, doesn’t mean it should be. It’s newer to this degree as it was more recent with the 5 player group limit that was implemented.
The players who abuse it are no better than the old gold seller bots or anything else. Deserve to be banned, but hey thats the community. Screw everyone else as long as it benefits them /shrug
Those who abuse it are likely just horrid players and it’s the only satisfaction they can get in their lives. It’s sad, but probably true.
Side note: If Blizzard can’t do it, I’ll take a part time job and do it for some good coffee everyday before or after my actual job.
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The amusing part is how when they face another premade, they afk out.
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or snd in spies n re q if they see sinkers on uther team
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I get vilified by the premade communities for saying these exact things…which are all true. We’re dealing with fragile egos that probably don’t interact with other people on a regular basis in the real world–they only exist within their Discords and very incubated communities in game.
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lol yes hopefully Blizz might then pay more attention to all the angry voices.
Just curious, what is ‘EQ’ ?
Love your spirit, thumbs up!
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I had a near miss not long after I started in Wrath. My friend tells me he figured out how everyone wins BGs and I found myself in a countdown sync group. It was all so fast, they needed another healer and started counting right away after I joined. My friend told me I was messing it up for everyone if I didn’t queue so I did but delayed a bit from the rest. The groups were split, they told me to drop because we weren’t put together and I “accidentally” hit accept.
Told my friend never to do that to me again and he didn’t until OQueue came out then it seemed like everyone was doing it. Most of the sync queuers aren’t some evil force they’re just regular players, that’s why I figure they shouldn’t be actioned. Some people probably deserve it but I think most are/were probably like my friend and just taught early that sync queuing is OK because Blizzard doesn’t tell them otherwise.
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blzz does tho try qing 4 ebg as raid
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That may be reasonable to most people but you see how these arguments tend towards semantics and it would cost nothing for Blizzard to clarify their position so you have to ask why they don’t make some kind of statement on the subject given its ubiquitous nature. It’s really only my beliefs in fair play that make me not sync queue at this point, not Blizzard’s intent.
WoW has always been an exploit early exploit often game, banning people means less revenue. They even pushed people into it with their SLands mentality which still exists just has taken a different form. They said they listened but they didn’t interact to understand our concerns, to them it’s a matter of wanting grinds so people stay subbed despite a lack of development.
Blizzard has explained their position in the past. They don’t like premade raids in random bgs. Players get driven away from PvP. That’s why you can’t queue for random bgs in a raid group.
I don’t see why Blizzard needs to keep reiterating what they’ve already said. You still can’t queue for random bgs in a raid group.
Furthermore, it’s not like premade raiders listened to Blizzard and Holinka back then when they explained their official position. Premade raiders kept circumventing the system because they only cared if there were bans or not. It didn’t matter what Blizzard or Holinka said to them.
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Everquest. The game WoW originally copied and polished.
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Not all of them, my friend stopped and then he stopped playing. What we have now is an imprecise statement made some time ago in reference to an addon that automated the process and not discussing possible action items (either threats of bans or promise of repair). If the current exploiters didn’t do it someone else would, that’s what it comes down to. The only fix is to close the loophole which puts it back on Blizzard.
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Holinka made this statement when they disabled premade raids in Ashran:
Later, someone straight up asked Holinka on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/holinka/status/312067433181618176
(^ Lost when Holinka deleted his old tweets.)
Premade raiders keep finding new loopholes. (E.g. “Unfortunately, a few people have circumvented those restrictions and we’ve had to create additional measures.”) They’ll keep doing this until bans are handed out.
This wasn’t an easy problem for Blizzard to fix without adversely affecting everyone else in the queue. Furthermore, this requires continuous fixes because premade raids test the limits of the system and then move on to their next loophole.
Blizzard: “We don’t like premade raids in random bgs. It’s unfair. You’re driving players away from PvP.”
Premade raiders: “Ok, we hear what you’re saying, but no bans right?”
Blizzard: 
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Of course they’re against it but if there’s no action then it’s just words. I think, like my friend, a lot of them would stop under threat of account action and they can see who is left exploiting but is that really the correct solution? Band-aid solutions create other problems, fix the issue then fix the next one when it arises. I think a lot of drama on the boards have that as a common source for not following that principle.
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Blizzard has taken actions but apparently the only one that matters is bans.
We all know Blizzard puts little effort into PvP. They’re not going to devote resources to individual investigations to identify and ban premade raiders.
This comes down to respecting fair play in a competition and caring about the rest of PvP community.
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You have more faith in people than I, which is a good thing.
Eh… I’m just sad to see the current state of random epic bgs, especially during prime time. It’s a really poor PvP experience for pugs.
And it’s caused by players who know better.
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You’ll get nothing but agreement on the first part but on the second part people see others doing it and get beaten so they look for refuge. A lot of the systems seem to favor this kind of response, they’re trying to get people to grind and they’d rather seek advantage in other ways when the system indiscriminately places them against groups of gladiator level players. They’re fodder class, same as me, and when the people have nothing more to eat they will eat the rich.
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