This isn’t about back capping as much as you keep trying to deflect. It’s fine though, you clowns will prove me right again in due time. The next thread highlighting the toxicity of premades I’m sure you and your clown posse will show up as you always do to add nothing.
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Just like you! 
Pugs don’t know about back capping? That’s their latest excuse for premading? The ones that blame the pugs are the worst offenders, the belittle us to justify why it’s OK to do what they do.
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don’t listen. go do what you believe to be the best way to win the bg. it probably consists of whatever “normal” zerg every other pug player thinks is the best strategy.
do you afk out after the first fight?
OK, it’s only March and you’ve already used up your “What If” allotment for the year.
We beat a full premade earlier in the season by wiping their tower group, I know there are some good players in the communities but most are paper people unless they’re in a big group. They killed us in heals and dps, I believe they went too early and sat on the boss, what you’re describing as pug behavior. All MWs and boomies, my prevoker and the rsham from the tower group were killing people on the road at the end because they didn’t need us to kill the boss or guard our bunker. We got this, do what you want.
Because it’s fun to win.
i returned to this game briefly to get all my toons to 70 before the expansion, i prefer pvp above all else but blizzard has made it miserable in the 60-69 bracket with all the 70’s getting in. it blows my mind that this is a thing. hopefully it will get fixed next expansion, ill find out when i sub again for a month later just to be dissapointed im sure and quit again.
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be specific. syncd players in level 60 bgs are at a huge disadvantage vs shadowlands geared capped 60 and moreso vs the df twinks.
even in 61-69 they’re like fighting a player level 68 in boa’s and dungeon blues. the problem with syncd 70’s is in the lower brackets where they keep some of their higher level talents.
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A bit surprised that the chat is still going on
People can choose how to enjoy the game but there is a limit. They don’t need to be skilled, but Everyone must have the desire to win and will work together for this purpose. This must be the minimum requirement for people stepping into the match.
Unfortunately, Pugs often are filled with people who refuse to learn or listen or are there for all sorts of reasons except winning the game. Since long ago, Epic BG has been the lounge for casual chatting and trolling, causing ongoing conflicts with players who want to win. This is one of the reasons that fuels the demand for more Premades and starts the vicious cycle we know today.
Critise Premade of their behaviour and demanding their change will not solve the problem. Pugs MUST reflect on themselves and change too.
Agree and some play only to troll, which is the main reason I joined Premade back then.
Like I said before, fundamentally this is a problem with system design. Premade is Not the solution and there is not much that players can help, and Blizz must step in. My friends and I had unsubscribed since Dec last year to avoid contributing to this vicious cycle. Until Blizz acts, they won’t get any support from us.
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You guys are pugs you just group up together. There’s nothing lofty in your ideals except you’re protecting yourself from people like you. I understand that part.
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Hmm, I am uncertain about your response and not sure which bit you disagree with. Please clarify.
Again, I am NOT advocating for Premade and I don’t support them. This should be more than clear in my past communications. All I care about is that players entering the Pugs match must have the desire to win and will work together for this purpose.
Despite already clearly stated in Blizz’s Code of Conduct (CoC), that any throwing, or feeding is unacceptable, it is still a common theme in Pugs. This statement in CoC is there for a good reason and proof that BG/EBG is Not a PvP lounge, and is meant to be a team game that is played competitively.
Any player joining a BG, looking for challenges offered by the BG’s gameplay design, shouldn’t be ridiculed and told to go Rated instead.
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Is that really their stance? The lengths that they’ll go to to justify their bad behaviors, it’s too bad someone that actually believes that nonsense isn’t here to defend it I’d sure like to discuss this opinion with them so Blizzard can see just how bent it really is.
Communities can justify themselves as wanting to defend against other premades but there’s nothing more than that. Some of the people advocating that pugs deserve it are the same ones that do more than just seek protection and they’ve made a game of making the game bad for others. At least one of the people advocating in this thread.
EDIT: Sorry, I was kind of teasing you but I don’t have ill intent.
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Lol glad to see your edit - I wasn’t sure of your intention and my sleepiness doesn’t help (it’s late hours over here) 
Regardless of the cause, it is unfair for Premade to match against Pugs, and this needs to change. Maybe Blizz already has a plan, but they better act soon.
The Cross-faction idea sounds interesting. Maybe it can fix the Pugs vs Premade problem?
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I think Blizzard also needs to add a hidden MMR to help separate the premade raiders from the pugs.
You can’t assume a cross-faction system will evenly split up their raid. The premade might have an odd number of parties. Or the system just happened to put more of them on one team.
Evenly if they’re evenly split up, the premade planned for that and half of them might be dropping out.
As for which team they’re on, the premade can have one person from each party join the game to see which side they’re on. After they have that info, they can make their drop queue decisions.
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The first paragraph was tongue-in-cheek, you’ve always portrayed yourself well on the boards. I don’t like when people get hateful towards the communities either, I believe most are just normal people like me. I’m a bit autistic and don’t always communicate well.
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Yes, I definitely agree. While it addresses certain aspects of the problem, it is still open for abuse. I feel allowing cross-faction alone won’t be enough and other changes will be needed too. We should also take a step back and consider if this is the right direction. It would be good to discuss more on this topic. The problem is that all related discussions and ideas are too scattered, often buried deeply across many topics. It would be great to list out the requirements outside the forum, maybe on a wiki somewhere?
Aren’t we all the same? 
By the way, thanks again for the comment last night and I had a great sleep, and am now ready to take on demanding customers at office. 
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Hate the premades, I play for a few hours a night, usually on weekends like most because of this thing called work…I haven’t seen it this bad in a long time. 4 matches in a row and I get all premades, that includes waiting 5-10mins in between or trying to insta queue it really doesn’t matter.
With that said, do I want to win? Yes. But I am good with the games as long as they are close or reasonable in the chaos on both sides. But when you got a team synced up, and get nothing but losses for hours. Why even bother playing. So once again tonight, after running into the premades, I just quit out and went to play CP2077 and enjoyed myself.
I am still on the boat that the queue syncing people should get banned or suspended for abusing a bug in the system when the developers put in a 5 member max group size. Exploiting a bug, or using tools to bypass the system is still exploiting. Change my mind on that one. And no premade people can argue that they are not bypassing the system.
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Agree. But this won’t help the situation, this problem can’t be fixed by the player’s behaviour and we don’t know if Blizz will do anything. People can flood this forum with Premade hate posts 24/7, but as long as players keep paying Blizz, this problem is a LOW priority which can wait another 5 years before they need to take another look. Blizz has more urgent matters to deal such as getting better ergonomic chairs for their pvp designers.
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Just a thought - if all PvP players stop their subscription at the same time and switch over to game-time. This will get their attention.
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I mean if Blizz does nothing, then they are just greenlighting that exploiting in PvP is allowed. And if that becomes the theme, things will go dark very fast. Although the bots in Arena are pretty blatant and they do nothing…I guess all there is to say is Cheaters/Exploiters/Hackers ftw and the regulars get F’ed is the new/maybe old Blizz philosophy.
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Maybe Blizz don’t see this as important, or even a valid problem. Maybe it doesn’t cause them any harm if Pvp died out. Either way, there is no transparency on the handling of this issue or anything related to Pvp. We have no idea about Blizz’s plan and if that will fix our problem. All we are told is: relax, you just believe that we know exactly what you want, even better than you do. You have no choice but to accept anything we make without question.
We can wait and see, or act to increase the chance of the problem getting fixed. If the player is reluctant to act, then maybe the problem isn’t so bad yet. (Sorry to sound harsh but it has to be said. 
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