Ah, my reply was to the chain I had with the OP, which was bad faith vote-kicking.
I’ll agree that there’s some level of preparedness going into Twilight Protocols, but not much beyond understanding the nuances of the added mechanics + baseline fight knowledge.
It loops back to the bad faith vote-kickers. I’ve seen folks get kicked for not having something as stupid as a flask…that’s not going to be the difference of finishing it or not.
I’d also say a minimum preparedness in gearing by not using PVP gear or non-main stat gear that keeps your performance subpar.
I’d never require a flask for a dungeon. I’ve also never seen anyone demand consumes or anything else from a dungeon. Of the 30+ dungeons I did in the last week preparing for DS the only time kicks were initiated was in response to performance issues that were clear, obvious, and caused significant problems in one way or another.
But the moment you point this out, there are some in this thread that call you an elitist for that.
I kick if it appears that i will not be able to finish the dungeon with X person in group.
It isnt a matter of slowing it down unless its outright doubling the time it will take with a competent group (not speed running group, just competent) which i do not find acceptable.
Im not going to spend 2 hours to do a dungeon that should take 30 min to 1 hour to do.
Yeah, folks should definitely have enough gear to be able to DPS well.
I’m certainly not defending those people somehow doing like 5k DPS.
But it’s wild to have the subjective power, where different people have these varying redlines, all which punish someone for not meeting whatever variable standard. That’s the only reason I mentioned PVP- it doesn’t exist there as readily in order to avoid these variable standards that some abuse.
Btw, not questioning either of your ethics in terms of how you manage your groups. The system obviously exists for a reason.
So you’re just making up BS? Got it.
I’ll be doing dungeons on Tuesday anyone is free to message me and get carried.
You can do it cross server.
Of course since it’s Tuesday your mage food will be tacos. I’ll expect meat tacos not those crppy vegetarian ones.
This guy has spent more time trying to kick people than it took me to gear 3 toons through the dungeons at this point
Yeah I just don’t understand it.
Just put the people on your back and get through the dungeon.
That subjective power is democracy - and it requires a majority of the group - who probably all have varying standards - to complete that kick.
I try and run a full group of my own, but there’s been plenty of runs it’s not a full group and a random other needs to fill. A friend fairly often will tank my groups. He has a low threshold of tolerance and will quickly kick anyone. At least 50% of the time I didn’t see enough of an issue to go along with his vote so it typically fails when I vote no. Sometimes it goes through anyway because the majority said so.
Blizzard gave this power over to the group because no one should be forced to play with another they don’t want. Suppose someone is very toxic, should there not be an option to remove that player? They have never given the tools to differentiate between kicking a horrible person and a lousy player. So if it happens that one person is constantly getting kicked, it probably has something to do with them whether it’s attitude or skills, and they should either find friends to protect them or chance it alone.
Mages only provide the taco shell, you have to bring your own fillings.
This is the exact reason why Blizzard isn’t in the business of setting out standards for groups and leaves it up to the groups themselves. Because it’s entirely subjective.
Yea you can keep saying this, and you can keep being a whiney child and wrong. I already stated the number of times a vote kick happened in my LFD groups. 4/30. And I only initiated two of those. Cry about it.
Yea so, gonna be that guy, but people that easily and obviously carry don’t devote 10+ posts in the same thread boasting about their skill. You’re just fishing for responses for trolling, so here’s your one from me.
The kicking culture seems to hold strong with the Benediction/Atiesh realms. Both realms are full of low tier IQ people who can’t handle people who do better than they.
I was advertising free carries here.
Just message my shaman Peeposcam-Benediction on tuesday and i will spam dungeons with you np.
I will put you on my back.
You mean the servers that have all the players?
Lmfao
There’s a lot of them.
In an End Time run earlier today, heals tried kicking the tank after a wipe on Sylvanas for “not knowing the fight” after he said at the start he was new.
Apparently a lot of 
think you need to be born knowing every WoW fight before you should be allowed to play.
Sorry little bro, I didn’t kick a single person gearing up this shaman, skill diff I guess
Its so easy to carry these dungeons post nerf basically everyone can say what hes saying, they are MC level difficulty now
it’s common knowledge in wow that if you’re tanking you should know the fights. Deserved.
Blizz needs to remove the debuff. Its completely stupid.
I don’t really care what you think. Cry about it some more please.
That’s not why I called him out for obvious trolling.
Did they explain it to him, and then he actively did not listen? Typically I give a short rundown and 2 attempts to learn before I start to pressure over whether they should be there. If they keep doing the same thing wrong 3 times after multiple explanations there’s an issue.