We might not have had databases and spread sheets, but we weren’t dumb.
This is true and ties into my statement of people may be mistaken at which patch they did dungeons. But people who know for a fact they leveled in 1.12 and tanked are saying its off. They would of had the same gear that is available in beta, maybe even more? Since it was the actual live patch. Id say the concerns are valid, but we cant prove them as a community until the evidence is made public or until beta progresses to 60 and we can have video evidence to prove or disprove dungeon damage.
Your memory isn’t as good as you think it is, OP.
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It’s not exactly a case of being dumb as much as just unfamiliar with the game.
People, even MMO veterans, aren’t going to immediately know the best stats, talents, etc. from the second that they start playing the game.
I certainly like to think that I became pretty good at the game by the time TBC dropped because I was capable of learning how to play, but in 2004? I was terrible because I had just started and I didn’t know the specifics of the system yet.
and online guides that are worth a damn weren’t nearly as common for the average person in 2004. Especially without YouTube being a thing.
I think the 1.12 data is the issue.
People can think that all they want, but it means nothing without evidence and the burden of proof is on the people making the claim that something is wrong.
Which there seems to be a notable lack of said evidence =P
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Google play was used a lot for wow videos before youtube was popular. Google deleted the entire thing from web history, unless you downloaded it.
i think people are just remembering earlier versions of vanilla. i know for a fact that the dungeons were harder back early in vanilla. between buggy stuff and less number/talent tuning than the later versions and patches stuff just hit harder . gear as well wasnt as good.
they had to pick 1.12 as a base so things were nerfed from the harder version of vanilla that we remember.
we will see if the higher dungeons can be cheesed by these streamers . that will probably be the final thing that makes me decide to not play .
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Eh for me whatever happen in the end. I’ll get back on for the journey. It was still entirely different than what it was after the cataclysm(Which honestly i’ve been swearing against forever… Azeroth was just so much nicer before).
But yeah, i guess everyone in there for different reasons.
it’ll be fun though if i manage to find a casual guild that would really wish to aim for Naxx. It’s not like it’ll be much of a race against the next expansion release this time around.
Ones making claims, yes, the burden of proof is on them. But there is also no evidence to prove blizz is right, only their word that they “internally tested” it on their 1.12 server they found in an employees garage (sarcasm). This is why i say we wait until level 60 beta. There are copious amounts of videos we can use as reference data.
This is true.
There have been some videos from 2006ish posted to backup some of the claims that damage is normal.
Which I’m open to seeing the evidence of high level dungeons once the beta gets there.
Though until then I’m still going to ask people acting like 1.1 was harder for actual evidence of that, and point out the notable lack of said evidence at the moment =P
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Do you have the links to share? I am open to evidence disproving my beliefs.
This was kinda funny to begin with, but the muscle emote was a perfect touch.
Is the 1 I specifically found. It was from early in TBC but there were no changes at that time from 1.12 that should have affected dungeon NPC damage. The first hit the boss makes is for 82 damage which fits into the damage we’re seeing for classic.
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How many of those videos were recorded on private servers though?
I’ll trust Blizzard over those guys any day.
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But thats TBC! Not 1.12 Vanilla! ![:stuck_out_tongue:](https://d38bqls1q93fod.cloudfront.net/en/wow/images/emoji/twitter/stuck_out_tongue.png?v=6" ":stuck_out_tongue:")
I only jest, but do keep in mind blizz was notorious for not being as meticulous as they are today with posting patch notes or hot fixes.
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I’m aware of that but, even then, there are sites that kept track of undocumented patch changes, especially from TBC, on. If people didn’t notice the change back then, it’s likely that, if there was a change, it was minor.
And i agree. Thats why i am waiting until 60 beta so i can compare damage to in-content dungeon videos of runs that people made. At that point, ill concede defeat or revel in victory.